Yes, indeed, we have some very heavy-duty firepower on this list.

I wonder if USMA could put together a "blue ribbon" panel to respond the 
objections of the FMI.

Ezra

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From: Scott Hudnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  I don't think it will take a think-tank study. I would think that a good 
> critical analysis paper that debunks FMI's claims point-by-point, would 
> suffice. 
> Many of FMI's claims in their opposition statement are fallacies that most 
> students taking an introductory-level critical analysis course could easily 
> spot.
> 
> Despite this, the paper would probably have more credibility with Congress if 
> it 
> came from an individual with the letters PhD after his/her name. (I believe 
> there are a few people that match that description on this listserve).
> 
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> On Monday, June 04, 2007, at 03:54PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I found the list of objections presented by the FMI to NIST back in 2002:
> >
> >http://ts.nist.gov/WeightsAndMeasures/Metric/upload/fmicomments.pdf
> >
> >It seems to me that most (if not all) of these objections are spurious. Some 
> seem to imply a change to "rational" metric sizes, which the amendment would 
> not 
> require or even encourage in the law itself.
> >
> >Since NIST cannot take a partisan view of the matter, I wonder if there is 
> >any 
> sort of think tank or university that could be funded to undertake an 
> independent study that would analyze these issues and present solid 
> counter-arguments from an "independent" source. (Not sure where the money for 
> this study would come from ..... maybe USMA can hold a bake sale or something 
> ...)
> >
> >Ezra
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >From: "Remek Kocz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> I wonder if FMI is misinterpreting the "optional metric-only" part and
> >> opposing it in a knee-jerk fashion, or are they truly dead-set against any
> >> kind of "metric-only" labeling, even if just optional.  As crazy as it
> >> sounds, perhaps we should write an email to each and every member of
> >> congress (all 535 of them) and ask them to a) amend the FPLA, and b) ignore
> >> FMI because they don't (or choose not to) understand the word "optional."  
> >> I
> >> don't claim to know how many members of USMA are out there, but if every 
> >> one
> >> of us did this, and maybe recruited a like-minded friend or two, perhaps
> >> this would get some notice on the Hill.  Congressional aides read this
> >> stuff, and many of them are young, brought up in the more modern era where
> >> metric is more palatable.  They talk to each other and their bosses.  A
> >> firestorm of emails, faxes, and letters asking for the FPLA amendment 
> >> during
> >> a quiet period could kick-start something.   If we all committed...
> >> 
> >> Remek
> >> 
> >> On 6/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I agree with you, Paul. Having all 50 states allow metric-only labels
> >> > (although there's still potentially the issue of Puerto Rico, US Virgin
> >> > Islands, Guam, the Marianas, and any other overseas territories and
> >> > possessions I've left out) is indeed a powerful pyschological step 
> >> > forward
> >> > towards metrication.
> >> >
> >> > However, it seems that the critical (and long-standing) opposition to
> >> > (even voluntary) metric-only labelling comes from the food industry in 
> >> > the
> >> > form of the FMI (since it's the FPLR that regulates food packaging).
> >> >
> >> > I'm convinced we need to find a way to overcome (or at least neutralize)
> >> > the objections of the FMI if we're ever going to see the FPLA amended.   
> :-(
> >> >
> >> > Ezra
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >> > From: "Paul Trusten, R.Ph." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > Two more states, and there will be a powerful argument to be made: if
> >> > the
> >> > > "states united" permit a metric-only labeling option, why not the 
> >> > > United
> >> > > States?  To have all 50 states agree on the UPLR metric-only labeling
> >> > > regulation means that the metric system can be accepted as the everyday
> >> > system
> >> > > of measurement on a national basis. This could be quite a psychological
> >> > barrier
> >> > > to be breaking.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Paul Trusten, R.Ph.
> >> > > Public Relations Director
> >> > > U.S. Metric Association, Inc.
> >> > > Phone (432)528-7724
> >> > > www.metric.org
> >> > > 3609 Caldera Boulevard, Apartment 122
> >> > > Midland TX 79707-2872 USA
> >> > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > http://home.grandecom.net/~trusten
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I wonder if FMI is misinterpreting the &quot;optional metric-only&quot; part 
> and opposing it in a knee-jerk fashion, or are they truly dead-set against 
> any 
> kind of &quot;metric-only&quot; labeling, even if just optional.&nbsp; As 
> crazy 
> as it sounds, perhaps we should write an email to each and every member of 
> congress (all 535 of them) and ask them to a) amend the FPLA, and b) ignore 
> FMI 
> because they don&#39;t (or choose not to) understand the word 
> &quot;optional.&quot;&nbsp; I don&#39;t claim to know how many members of 
> USMA 
> are out there, but if every one of us did this, and maybe recruited a 
> like-minded friend or two, perhaps this would get some notice on the 
> Hill.&nbsp; 
> Congressional aides read this stuff, and many of them are young, brought up 
> in 
> the more modern era where metric is more palatable.&nbsp; They talk to each 
> other and their bosses.&nbsp; A firestorm of emails, faxes, and letters 
> asking 
> for the FPLA amendment during a quiet period could kick-start something!
>  .&nbsp;&nbsp; If we all committed...
> ><br><br>Remek<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/4/07, <b 
> class="gmail_sendername"><a 
> href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a></b> 
> &lt;<a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ></a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 
> >1px 
> solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I 
> agree 
> with you, Paul. Having all 50 states allow metric-only labels (although 
> there&#39;s still potentially the issue of Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, 
> Guam, 
> the Marianas, and any other overseas territories and possessions I&#39;ve 
> left 
> out) is indeed a powerful pyschological step forward towards metrication.
> ><br><br>However, it seems that the critical (and long-standing) opposition 
> >to 
> (even voluntary) metric-only labelling comes from the food industry in the 
> form 
> of the FMI (since it&#39;s the FPLR that regulates food packaging).
> ><br><br>I&#39;m convinced we need to find a way to overcome (or at least 
> neutralize) the objections of the FMI if we&#39;re ever going to see the FPLA 
> amended.&nbsp;&nbsp; :-(<br><br>Ezra<br><br> -------------- Original message 
> ----------------------
> ><br>From: &quot;Paul Trusten, R.Ph.&quot; &lt;<a 
> href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Two 
> more states, and there will be a powerful argument to be made: if the<br>&gt; 
> &quot;states united&quot; permit a metric-only labeling option, why not the 
> United
> ><br>&gt; States?&nbsp;&nbsp;To have all 50 states agree on the UPLR 
> >metric-only 
> labeling<br>&gt; regulation means that the metric system can be accepted as 
> the 
> everyday system<br>&gt; of measurement on a national basis. This could be 
> quite 
> a psychological barrier
> ><br>&gt; to be breaking.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; 
> Paul Trusten, R.Ph.<br>&gt; Public Relations Director<br>&gt; U.S. Metric 
> Association, Inc.<br>&gt; Phone (432)528-7724<br>&gt; <a 
> href="http://www.metric.org";>
> >www.metric.org</a><br>&gt; 3609 Caldera Boulevard, Apartment 122<br>&gt; 
> Midland TX 79707-2872 USA<br>&gt; mailto:<a 
> href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a><br>&gt; <a 
> href="http://home.grandecom.net/~trusten";>
> >http://home.grandecom.net/~trusten</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br><br></blockquote></di
> v><br>
> >
> 

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