To me this seems totally irrelevant. There is no long term value in defining the year to be anything in particular. It is an imprecise measurement, good enough for everyday use. If people aren't even concerned about the difference between a US gallon and a UK gallon, they are surely not going to worry about a few seconds in their ages.

Granted, by accurately defining a year it may be possible to accurately define a light year. But a light year is only useful in measurements at astronomical scales and we do not have the technology to determine such distances to anything approaching 6 or more significant digits of accuracy. Two significant digits is about as good as we can get, and also quite sufficient.

Furthermore, a year is only relevant to terrestrial measurements. While it is true right now that we all happen to live in terrestrial environments, it is also likely that we shall establish settlements elsewhere in the future. What concern will Mars colonists have with the Earth year being 365.242189669781 days? Bear in mind that those days are Earth days which do not correspond to the slightly longer Mars days anyway.

Similarly, redefining the unit of length in terms of the distance subtended at the surface of the Earth by a certain angle is irrelevant to extraterrestrial locales, even though it may be useful here for the several centuries. Indeed, that was the method used to define the metre in the first place but that definition was abandoned a long time ago.

With all due respect, this topic is just noise and has no bearing on our group goal of promoting the adoption and use if SI.



Brij Bhushan Vij wrote:
John and all:

*REVISING** Average Mean Atomic Year Value (Y_2007 ):* According to <_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_year_>: The current values for Year and their annual change in the time of return to the cardinal ecliptic points are: (1) vernal equinox: 365.24237404 + 0.00000010338×a days; (2) northern solstice: 365.24162603 + 0.00000000650×a days; (3) autumn equinox: 365.24201767 − 0.00000023150×a days; and (4) southern solstice: 365.24274049 − 0.00000012446×a days, where a is number of years after Y_2000 . I consider the YEAR length can be fixed at the Average Mean Atomic Year i.e. [365.24237404 + 365.24162603 + 365.24201767 + 365.24274049] / 4 =365.2421895575 days. Astronomers, however, have fixed the Year value, Y_2000 = 365.242189669781 days. This during the past century, Y_1900 was 365d 5h 48m 45s.9747 i.e. 365.24219878125 days”. In my works http://www.brijvij.com/, I have aimed to get Mean Year value at: (365+31/128) = 365.2421875 days, using div.4/skip 128^th years (for Leap Days count); or (7*128) =896-years/159 LWks to give Mean Year = (365+159/896) = 365.2421875 days =7*(52+1/6+29/2688). I now propose to fix, Y _2007 = 365.2421875 atomic-days and align with Y_2000 = 365.242189669781 days, thus *ratio 365.242189669781/ 365.2421875 =1.000000005940663686338260144168*. This also, mean that ‘New Atomic Day =86400.00051327334 25 atomic second’; each atomic second of 794243389646333 cycles of Cs-133 at hyperfine levels. Accordingly, decimal second (sd)=1/240000th of atomic day =3309347457 periods of radiations of Cs-133 at defined hyperfine levels.
Regards,
Brij Bhushan Vij

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [USMA:39433] Re: Year
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:13:17 -0700
>
> Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annum defines the unit "annum", symbol > "a", with metric multiples kiloannum, megaannum, gigaannum, etc. It states
> that the symbol "yr" is deprecated.
> --
> John Hynes
> San Francisco
> www.decimaltime.org
> 2007 Sept. 16.425 UT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 2:54 AM
> Subject: [USMA:39432] Year
>
>
> > Going back to the discussion on the "year" unit, I found an interesting
> > document called "The Unified Code for Units of Measure" at
> > http://aurora.rg.iupui.edu/UCUM/ucum.html#section-introduction
> >
> > "Table 5: Other units from ISO 1000, ISO 2955, and some from ANSI X3.50."
> > includes:
> >
> > name | kind of quantity | print | c/s | c/i | M | definition value |
> > definition unit
> > tropical year | time | at | a_t | ANN_T | no | 365.24219 | do
> > mean Julian year | time | aj | a_j | ANN_J | no | 365.25 | do
> > mean Gregorian year | time | ag | a_g | ANN_G | no | 365.2425 | do
> > year | time | a | a | ANN | no | 1 | a_j
> >
> > "print" symbols include non-ASCII characters, such as subscripts, while > > c/s and c/i are ASCII variants. M means "metric", which these definitely
> > are not. I think that someone here mentioned the symbol "a" used with
> > subscripts, so perhaps they were referring to a common source. The
> > following section is pertinent:
> > ----------------
> > ANSI X3.50 had two different series of symbols for the units of time, the > > ones from ISO 2955 as adopted by The Unified Code for Units of Measure and
> > the symbols "yr" "mo" "wk" "hr" and "sec" while "do" and "min" were
> > defined twice. The Unified Code for Units of Measure does not define these > > synonyms of ISO 2955 symbols, but does adopt those units from ANSI X3.50 > > that are not part of ISO 2955, namely "mo" and "wk" Month and week are
> > useful units mainly in business or clinical medicine.
> >
> > The semantics of the units of time is difficult to capture. The
> > difficulties start with the day: There is the sidereal and the solar day
> > that depend on the earth's rotation. The earth's rotation is variable
> > during one day and is continually slowing down in the long run. The usual
> > subdivisions of the day in 24 hours of 60 minutes and 60 seconds
> > originated in Babylonia. The earth's rotation was too inexact to measure
> > time, which is why the 11th CGPM (1954) defined the second based on a
> > standarized historical tropical year (see below) which was later (13th > > CGPM 1967-1968) replaced by frequency measurement. Thus the second came to
> > be the base unit of time and the day is now 864000 s exactly with the
> > Universal Coordinated Time (UTC) adding leap seconds every now and then.
> >
> > For the year we have to distinguish the "tropical" (solar, sidereal) year > > from the calendar year. And both are difficult. The tropical year is the > > year defined by time the earth travels around the sun. This is difficult
> > to measure and varies over time. Around 1900 it was 365.242196 do,
> > currently it is 365.242190 do and around 2100 it will be 365.242184 d. In > > addition these durations are averages. The actual length of each year may
> > vary by several minutes due to the gravitational influence of other
> > planets. Thus there is quite a high uncertainty already in the fourth
> > decimal digit.
> >
> > The calendar year is also difficult because there is the Julian calendar > > (Sosigenes of Alexandria and Julius Caesar, 45 BC) with a slightly too > > long year of 365.25 do that causes the calendar to be one day ahead of the > > tropical year in 128 years. The Gregorian calendar (Christopher Clavius > > 1537-1612 and Pope Gregory XIII 1545-1563) leaves out three leap years in > > 400 years (let n be the year number, the leap year is dropped if n mod 100 > > = 0 but not n mod 400 = 0.) The Gregorian mean year is thus 365.2425 do. > > This leap year arithmetic seems to be too much even for astronomers, which > > is why the light year ends up being defined based on the Julian year [NIST > > Sp. Pub. 811, 1995 Edition]. For this reason The Unified Code for Units of
> > Measure defines Tropical, Julian and Gregorian year by means of
> > subscripts, but assigns the default year symbol to the Julian year.
> >
> > The week is 7 days, this is a biblic truth we can count on (it is actually > > quite plausible that the week of seven days originated in Babylonia and
> > entered Jewish tradition during the Babylonian exile.)
> >
> > The difficultiy continues with the month. The lunar (so called "synodal"
> > month is variable. Around 1900 it was 29.5305886 do currently it is
> > 29.5305889 do and in 2100 it will be 29.5305891 do, which we fixate in the > > 5th decimal digit with a considerable uncertainty. The calendar month is > > difficult because of the uneven distribution of days in a month over the > > year, and because of the two different calendar years. But we will usually > > use the mean calendar month, which is the Julian calendar year divided by
> > 12.
> >
> > As a conclusion, great care has to be taken when the "customary units" of > > time are used to measure time. The SI has fixated the second which should > > be used whenever accuracy is required. For business purposes the Julian > > calendar is sufficient especially since the notion of the Work-Day (vs. > > Holiday) is more important than the imprecision over 128 years. [Sources:
> > "Calendar" Britannica
> > Online.http://www.eb.com:180/cgi-bin/g?DocF=macro/5000/98/toc.html. Claus
> > Tondering, Frequently asked questions about calendars. Part 1. 1998.
> > http://www.pip.dknet.dk/~c-t/calendar.faq1.txt]
> >
> > -----------------
> >
> > --
> > John Hynes
> > San Francisco
> > www.decimaltime.org
> > 2007 Sept. 16.410 UT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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