Dear Bill and All,
Thanks for your comment. Yes, you are correct; I intended the word
gry as a replacement for the word kilogram. I'm sorry that I didn't
make this clear. (Note that Bill Hooper's criticism of this
suggestion is at the bottom of this email).
I should have said:
On 2008/01/30, at 2:06 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
The problem with using "G" for the grave is that it has since been
used for
the gauss. Even though the gauss has been replaced with the tesla, more
people would think "gauss" when they see "G" as a unit symbol.
Pierre
Dear All,
I would like to suggest the word 'gry' as a replacement for the word
kilogram in the International System of Units (SI). the unit, gry,
would replace the kilogram as the standard unit of mass as defined by
the artifact, 'Le Grand K' that is currently held by the BIPM (until
such time as a suitable new, non-artifact, definition is developed
for the gri).
The new unit, gri, would have the symbol 'G'.
Perhaps now is the time to re-suggest the word 'gry' as an
international unit, only this time for mass rather than length. I
would pronounce this as in 'angry' and 'hungry'. As a unit, gri,
seems to have several properties that might make it useful:
1 It is a short word
2 It has only one syllable
3 It is not used elsewhere in the English language and I suspect that
it is not used much in other languages (although I don't know if this
is the case).
4 It has a connotation of being an abbreviation of the word,
'gravity', which is a property shared by all objects with mass
5 It fits well with the prefixes and it is easy to pronouce either
alone or in combination (say out loud: nanogry, microgry, milligry,
gry, kilogry, megagry, gigagry etc).
6 The word gry has a long (classical) history in that it is derived
from the ancient Greek word, gry, where it meant 'a small amount'.
This use seems to imply a small amount of mass rather than a small
amount of length but my Greek isn't up to such subtleties.
7 The idea of using a gry as a measuring unit (for length) goes back
to John Locke in 1679 only 11 years after John Wilkins developed the
original idea for an international system based on a 'universal
measure'.
8 Thomas Jefferson probably developed his ideas for a decimal
measuring system from John Locke's gry but he used the word point
instead in his 1790 report.
9 The clash with the gauss is not a great issue as the gauss is
deprecated anyhow. Surely it's time for our magnetic friends to move on!
10 The gry could then have the symbol G
The web site at: http://www.onlineunitconversion.com/
gry_to_shackle.html says 'In 1813, the gry was revived in another
decimal measurement scheme in Britain.' but I have never heard of
such a scheme at that time. Can anyone help me with details of a
decimal measurement scheme in the UK in 1813?
Of course there is the small problem of the gry riddle (see: http://
www.yourdictionary.com/library/article008.html ) but I digress as
this is definitely off topic.
Cheers,
Pat Naughtin
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On 2008/01/31, at 8:16 AM, Bill Hooper wrote:
On 2008 Jan 30 , at 4:56 AM, Pat Naughtin wrote regarding the
suggestion of "gry" for a unit of mass.
4 It has a connotation of being an abbreviation of the word,
'gravity', which is a property shared by all objects with mass
This is not a good argument for the use of the gry as a unit of mass.
Mass is much less associated with gravity than is force
(specifically the weight force). Mass is associated with gravity
only in its relation to the force of attraction between two bodies.
The mass of a single body is a fixed and measurable quantity
regardless of the distance to any other object, regardless of the
mass of the other object or even the existence of another object.
This is not to say the the gry could not be a good name for a mass
unit, only that the above reason is not a good reason for it.
Also, you did not specifically say this, but I assume you meant to
suggest the name "gry " to replace the name "kilogram". Am I correct?
Regards,
Bill Hooper
Fernandina Beach, Florida, USA
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