P.Moore,In my USMA 40310, I had projected:
"Pierre, Pat and list:>.....10 The gry could then have the symbol GWhile G,
seems acceptable for 'Grave = GRAM = 1000g a still shorter 'phonetic' approach
may be to call THIS unit *gra or gri* with unit symbol, G to mean 1000g i.e. 1
kg.Regards,Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 2454496)/995+D-031W04-03 (G. Wednesday, 2008
January 30 H 21:05(decimal) IST"
May I suggest to consider the use of *Symbol, Gr for kg=1000g*. This I feel is
likely to meet most observations for an alternative symbol to Grave,
kilogram(kg), gry, gra or gri with whatever unit is opted for
kilogram=1000g.Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 2454499)/995+D-034W04-06 (G. Saturday,
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(M)001(201)962-3708(when in US)> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:40:46 -0500> Subject:
[USMA:40338] Re: review of name and symbol for reference unit for mass> From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> > Thank you for your patient
explanation, Ron, but I have to agree with Jesse.> > Objections to "gry": (1)
it is a bit like gram, as Ezra pointed out; (2)> "gry" is too close to gray,
another unit, as Daniel said; (3) "gry" already> has three characters, two too
many IMHO; (4) "gry" rhymes with angry. This> last point is not a reason but an
omen. It should be easy to compose a> limerick deriding a proposal of "gry".> >
Objections to "G": (1) "G" already designates the gravitational constant and>
is sometimes adapted as a measurement unit, e.g., in rocketry; (2) "G"> already
denotes a measurement unit, gauss, as Pierre pointed out.> > About coherence:
(1) The tidiness of coherence is not compelling to most> people. (2) So 1 kg is
equivalent to 1 L or rather to 1 dm^3 of water? I> think I can remember that -
but do I need to? [Thinks to self: hmm, that's> water, not gasoline.] (3) Style
guides would not need to note exceptions if> they condoned prefixed units such
as Gg and Tm. The style guides would> become shorter, simpler, and more
coherent.> > To get rid of the symbol "kg" just as it is gaining acceptance
would set> back metrication in the USA. The American public would resist giving
up the> kilogram.> > What would the symbol for "gry" be? "gry"? Given a
mouthful of alphabet soup> like "mgry", the American public would spew it out.>
> > > > > From: "Ziser, Jesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Reply-To: <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>> > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:21:15 -0800 (PST)> > To: "U.S. Metric
Association" <[email protected]>> > Subject: [USMA:40327] Re: review of name
and symbol for reference unit for> > mass> > > > Is it really a good idea to
try and replace something that has become that> > rarest of beasts: a> > nearly
uncontested international standard? Why not leave well enough alone?> > So the
kilogram has> > a prefix. So what? That's a pretty tiny wart, as warts go. It
is widely> > understood and> > accepted, and a lot of ordinary people have been
talked into switching, some> > with great> > difficulty. Now you want to ask
them to switch again? Not gonna happen, and> > if it did, the> > metric system
would lose some of its luster to people who value consistency> > (me).> > > >
And if a new standard were to be proposed, shouldn't it be directly to the> >
BIPM, not some> > peripheral institution? People should do what the standard
says. It is not a> > good idea to> > encourage groups outside of the BIPM to
come up with totally new, non-SI ways> > of doing things. > > That's not the
same as trying to change the standard itself.> > > > On top of all that, what's
wrong with using an existing unit -- the grave,> > which was a real unit> >
that actually meant kilogram some time ago -- instead of coining a new one?> >
Gry has other> > meanings, notably an old unit of length equal to 0.212 mm.> >
> > The BIPM thinks changing the name of the kilogram now is a bad idea due to
the> > fact that it has> > become so deeply ingrained, but mentions the grave
as the most notable> > alternative. This link> > also mentions the correct
place to propose changes to SI.> >
http://www.bipm.org/en/scientific/mass/faqs_mass.html> > > > Sorry if I sound
preachy. This just reminds me of a some unfortunate things> > that have
happened in> > the world of computer programming standards. "it sure is nice to
have a> > standard for this"...> > "let's change everything because this isn't
pretty enough"... "ok, then we'll> > just use our own> > standard"... "gee, I
wish there were some standard for this". Be afraid...> > > > --- Ron Stone
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > >> > >> Dear Pat and all,> >> > >> The term
'gry' as a name for a reference unit of mass ([USMA:40308]> >> Re: kg) promises
a few more chief metric benefits than the present> >> term 'kilogram'.> >> > >>
One chief metric benefit is coherence with a system of other coherent> >>
units.> >> > >> The equivalence of mass of '1 gry' to '1 liter' of water could
be> >> widely appreciated.> >> > >> At the same time the rules for usage of
metric prefixes would not need> >> to note an exception like for the term
'kilogram'.> >> > >> When used with reference to a designated style guide, I
think that the> >> term 'gry' could be learned and practiced practicably.> >> >
>> I spoke with my wife Claudia, a biologist, about the use of a term> >> like
'gry' for a reference unit for mass. The calibration of> >> instruments for
measuring small amounts of liquid might be determined> >> more practicably if a
microliter could be compared directly to a> >> 'microgry' (with the same
prefix), rather than a with a 'milligram'.> >> > >> However there may also be
some procedures, such as for determining> >> molar concentrations of solutions,
that might already be stated in> >> terms of certain prefixed expressions, that
might call for a> >> reconsideration of 'mise-en-pratique' if a reference unit
for mass is> >> conformed with the prefixing of other reference units.> >> > >>
In the meantime, I think that the expression 'gry', and a transitional> >>
symbol 'G' (or with much consensus a 'g') should be placed on the> >> draft AAT
ICAS (Integrated Chronological Applications System, Alliance> >> for the
Advancement of Technology) transitional specifications document:> >> > >> AAT
ICAS Basilicum-1600-AAT ICAS transitional specifications> >> 1600-ps05 review
of name and symbol for reference unit of mass> >>
'http://www.aatideas.org/icas/1600.html#go1600s18'> >> > >> For those who might
be wondering what is AAT ICAS; it is a framework> >> that is mainly concerned
with developing standards for uniform formats> >> of calendar and clock
expressions. Yet ICAS is also concerned with> >> coordinating to SI and other
reference frameworks.> >> > >> Some other links on that document:> >> > >>
Appendix A—some initiatives for metric timekeeping or calendaring> >>
'http://www.aatideas.org/icas/1600.html#go1600s19'> >> > >> Appendix B—some
normative references> >> 'http://www.aatideas.org/icas/1600.html#go1600s20'> >>
> >> In addition, AAT is reviewing comments on the development of ICAS on> >>
an ongoing basis; and this includes the standards for 'ICAS in use',> >> 'ICAS
terms of use', and 'ICAS now' open source terms of use.> >> > >> As I am
serving a role of ICAS development for AAT, I will also try to> >> see that
discussions about ICAS on this list are given consideration> >> in the
development of AAT ICAS.> >> > >> Cheers,> >> > >> Ron> >> > >> ICAS date and
time (UT):> >> > >> � UCN 12008B01 White �> >> > >> � UCA 2008B01 White
�> >> > >> � IDC (UT) t872 �> >> > >> � day of year 031 �> >> > >>
� AD 2008 January 31 Thursday �> >> > >> � SMH (UT) 20:56:30 �> >> > >>
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