"As I said, at this rate only a conversion by the USA will force the UK's hand."


Please remember that our liquid measures are different.

We also use the 'stone' *despite* the fact that the USA does not.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [USMA:41864] Re: Fair and honest measures
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:51:08 +0000


Very well put, Pat. Thanks for pointing out this nonsense article.
 
I suspect the Brown government, basking in its resurgence because of the 
economic crisis, wants to preserve its gains and not create a "ruckus" (as we 
like to say) with this metric "nonsense" (in their view).
 
So, while the rules still stay on the books, the word comes down to local 
councils to back off and return to casting a blind eye to the use of 
Imperial-only scales and pricing.
 
As I said, at this rate only a conversion by the USA will force the UK's hand.
 
Ezra
 
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From: Pat Naughtin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Dear Editor,


Your reference: 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3223945/The-final-victory-is-not-yet-won.html
 


I was amused by Christopher Booker's article, 'The final victory is not yet 
won' (2008-10-18). He seems to be fighting, once again, for a return to the 
diversity of randomly generated weights and measures that were available before 
the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215, where it was written:


There shall be one measure … throughout our whole realm. 

Presumably, when the Magna Carta was written it was assumed that someone would 
enforce the law by checking illegal scales, measuring illegal containers, and 
prosecuting those who used them. The Magna Carta writers' idea for a fair and 
honest system of measures was probably the same that inspired Bishop John 
Wilkins to propose the initial idea for a universal measure to the Royal 
Society of London in 1668 that led to the development of the metric system in 
France some 120 years later.

I don't suppose that when Janet Devers decided to use illegal scales and a bowl 
for selling fruit and vegetables at her market stall she had any idea that she 
could be leading the way so far back to the past for all UK weights and 
measures.


Now, if it is true that the government is proposing to lend her support, I am 
sure that other traders will soon decide on using illegal scales and bowls for 
their trading — perhaps they might extend it to two bowls — a big one for 
buying and a small one for selling will probably look about right to many 
traders (as it did to many traders 800 years ago before Magna Carta).


Perhaps the new (pre Magna Carta) British measuring regime could be called, 
'Devers' weights and Devers' measures'.


However, I predict a backlash. To paraphrase a very old quotation:

Thou shalt not have in thy bag Devers' weights, a great and a small. Thou shalt 
not have in thine house Devers' measures, a great and a small. Devers' weights 
and Devers' measures, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord. (From 
Deuteronomy 25:13-14)

Cheers,
Pat Naughtin
P.S. These references might be useful for you to check the facts expressed in 
this email: 
http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/CommentaryOnWilkinsOfMeasure.pdf and 
http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/MetricationTimeline.pdf 
P.P.S. Copies of John Wilkins work can be found at the British Library and at 
the Royal Society in London.
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