I thought we were talking about how estate agents sell houses etc? I firmly believe that the sq m figure in a hip would be ignored in favour of the figures used by the estate agents (only because we're used to L x W figures).
Martin, are 'HIP's now a legal requirement? - I thought there was talk about them being cancelled or delayed (I genuinely don't know - I haven't bought or sold for a few years now). If this goes too 'off topic' feel free to email in private. From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:42754] Re: Small item seen on TV Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:25:42 +0000 Hi Steve, Regardless of how houses were built, when they are sold in the UK, they now require a HIP (Home Information Pack) (See http://www.homeinformationpacks.gov.uk/) One of the details listed in the Useful Floor Area which is given in square metres. Regards Martin. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Humphreys Sent: 01 February 2009 15:24 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:42742] Re: Small item seen on TV There have been houses in the UK for many years now - we're quite an old Country. Most houses will be older than the time that metric has been available in the UK. I thought this would be obvious. Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:09:07 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:42639] Re: Small item seen on TV To: [email protected] Mike, That is so interesting how everyone who visits the UK would have a different metric experience. If the homes in the UK are built in metric, then I would expect the metric numbers to be user friendly. Yet in Martin's web link it looked like the feet & inches were more user friendly then the metric in the brackets. This leads to the question as to what units are used to build the homes in the UK and if attention is placed on making what series of numbers the most user friendly. If a UK building is fully metric, then how would the dimensions of the rooms work out so rounded in feet and inches and so much the opposite in metric? Jerry From: Michael Payne <[email protected]> To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:14:33 PM Subject: [USMA:42548] Re: Small item seen on TV Many of the people that I know in the UK are world travelers like me, what does impress me is when one of them built another house and all the plans were in meters and that's what he talked about. Now if someone is going to tell me directions to a town or house, they might phrase it in miles because that is what the odometer displays. But from my experience, it's metric. Perhaps it's the circle of people you move in that defines the units you use? Mike Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Humphreys To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2009 18:03 Subject: [USMA:42544] Re: Small item seen on TV Lol - Martin got his km figures from markers on the side of the motorway! (I will let him explain) I wholly disagree that people do 'speak metric', from 40 years experience. Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:55:13 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:42540] Re: Small item seen on TV To: [email protected] Mike, >From your description I would understand it to be that metric is used everywhere but on road signs. But road signs must be both if Martin said he was 55.7 km from London or did he just do a conversion? So people do speak in metric and don't really need to have things dumbed down as some one put it earlier. Your comments about pilots in the US explains why the last time I flew in a plane, the pilot hesitated before saying the temperature. He must have been trying to translate it from what was on his screen. Jerry From: Michael Payne <[email protected]> To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:29:23 PM Subject: [USMA:42533] Re: Small item seen on TV I visit the UK perhaps 6-10 times a year, the people that I know in the UK tend to talk in meters/metres when referring to a new house size, etc. If you go into a UK hardware store it's almost all metric, supermarkets have gram scales, prices might be marked as pence/pound but normally pence/gram, it's weighed in grams. Fuel is sold in liters, road signs are all in miles and miles per hour but all road work is done in meters. In general it seems like a big mess which is why here in the US we need to do it differently, Australian/New Zealand and South Africa did a very good transition in the 60's and 70's. Most young people in those countries don't know non metric units. I'm a pilot, when I fly into the UK the atmospheric pressure is in hPa, the visibility is in meters, the runway length is in meters/feet. Temperature is Celsius, it's also Celsius for all pilots in the US. Call 703 661 2990 here in the US to listen to the weather pilots get at my local airport. Mike Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeremiah MacGregor To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2009 17:16 Subject: [USMA:42529] Re: Small item seen on TV When you say the UK is bi, do you mean they use both metric and English equally,? 50 % ? Or is there more of a leaning towards one or the other? How are both use equally without causing confusion? Say for instance in the medical field. Would a doctor speak metric and a nurse respond in English? It must make for some strange communications.. Jerry From: Stephen Humphreys <[email protected]> To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:40:08 AM Subject: [USMA:42515] Re: Small item seen on TV Because the UK is not metric (it's 'bi') and in the case of tyre pressures there are not laws forcing the use of metric. Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:00:18 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [USMA:42494] Re: Small item seen on TV To: [email protected]; [email protected] Stephen, I interpreted the statement to mean that bar and kPa were the most common. It doesn't mean the is no psi, it just means it isn't very common. If the UK is metric then why would psi dominate and not kPa? Jerry From: Stephen Humphreys <[email protected]> To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:27:02 AM Subject: [USMA:42494] Re: Small item seen on TV Except in the UK (which is part of Europe) where PSI dominates. Maybe you meant "Mainland Europe" From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:42439] Re: Small item seen on TV Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:22:34 +0000 The most common units of measure for tyre pressures in Europe are bars or kPa. (100 kPa = 1 bar). From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremiah MacGregor Sent: 24 January 2009 14:59 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:42430] Re: Small item seen on TV Harry, Aren't they suppose to be in pascals or something along that line? Jerry From: Harry Wyeth <[email protected]> To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:39:58 PM Subject: [USMA:42388] Small item seen on TV A minor point of interest: on PBS's US broadcast of the BBC World News tonight, in a piece re the resumption of natural gas to Europe, there was "footage" showing close-ups of presssure gauges on pipeline fixtures out in the snowy fields. One showed pressure in kg/cm2, and the other in "bar". 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