Lee I'm surprised that you've chosen a posting name that mimic's my wife's real (maiden) name - subtly altered. I understand that you've often used her as a way of getting to me (ie intimidatory activity to try to stop me posting on other sites). It has never worked but you've tried often. However you know that she's 'very' pregnant for the moment and your choice of tactic is quite low even for your standards. She already considers this quite nasty and is left wondering why she's part of your intimidation tactic yet again (as she has no interest at all in the subject of weights and measures and has not argued any case on this or any other public forum)
If you're not going to use your proper name to post here (as others tend to) could I at least ask that you alter your tactics to be less overtly sinister? Please? I ask you, politely, to use a different pseudonym and aim your attack simply at me. Thank You. Apologies to all other contributors for being ---way--- off topic here but I hope you understand my concern and reason for highlighting this once and once only. In the interests of other contributors I ask that this thread continues offline and discussed via private email Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:07:45 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:43206] RE: Worthing Herald letter To: [email protected] Stephen said A 1/2 litre pint would look very obviously wrong On what basis do you say this, Stephen? Have you ever measured this, or are you just speculating? If you take a stamped pint brim measure with a 10cm diameter at the brim and fill it with with beer & a 9mm head, how much liquid is in the glass? It's easy to work out. Pi times the square of the radius gives the area of the top of the glass, then multiply by 0.9 to get the volume in square centimetres (millilitres) So, 5 x 5 x 3.1416 x 0.9 = 70.7ml Are you suggesting that you've never seen a 9mm head on a pint of beer? In the example I've given, there's less than a half-litre of beer in the glass. The same would apply to a stamped pint brim measure with an 8cm diameter at the brim filled with beer & a 1.4cm head. Are you suggesting that you've never seen a 14mm head on a pint? In addition, who's to say that the glasses in use are actually pint measures? Have a look at the attached picture (taken at a Polish restaurant in Doncaster) Without referring to the markings on the glass, how could you tell it was not a pint glass? It looks like one to me. A customer has the right to go back and have a 'top up' to reduce the head. That's not strictly true. There is no legal right to a top-up. There's a code of practice that says that it's good practice to give a top-up if asked, but there's no compulsion for any pub to follow the code of practice. Anyway, why should a customer have to specifically ask the barman to serve correct measure? In the throws of a night's session in the pub most if not all would avoid contemplating court decisions. Yeah. They would be likely to complain to their local Weights & Measures Inspector instead. I'm not aware of any customers ever taking a private prosecution under the Weights & Measures Act. Do you have knowledge regarding this area yourself? Do you have any background info regarding Trading Standards in the UK? http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/ It would be useful if you know this since it would clarify what constitutes a reasonable pint in the UK (after all, a lot of real ale officianados accept that a dense head should be part of a pint - just not too much of it). That would really depend on individual Trading Standards Departments policies. As you will no doubt be aware, a head that would be considered acceptable in one part of the UK would not be acceptable elsewhere. My own viewpoint would be that a 95% pint is acceptable. I believe that the pub would be warned if they delivered between 90-95%, and prosecuted for short measure below 90%. That's reasonable, yes? --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Stephen Humphreys <[email protected]> wrote: From: Stephen Humphreys <[email protected]> Subject: [USMA:43108] RE: Worthing Herald letter To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:35 AM LKen, A 1/2 litre pint would look very obviously wrong. Especially if it's something like cider. A customer has the right to go back and have a 'top up' to reduce the head. In the throws of a night's session in the pub most if not all would avoid contemplating court decisions. That would be far too pedantic. Do you have knowledge regarding this area yourself? Do you have any background info regarding Trading Standards in the UK? It would be useful if you know this since it would clarify what constitutes a reasonable pint in the UK (after all, a lot of real ale officianados accept that a dense head should be part of a pint - just not too much of it). Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:45:31 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:43105] RE: Worthing Herald letter To: [email protected] Stephen Can you please tell the group at exactly which point a "pint" becomes short measure in the UK? You appear to suggest that a 500ml "pint" would be illegal. If so, can you tell everyone how a UK court would deal with an attempted prosecution for a "pint" that actually measured:- 1) 510ml 2) 520ml 3) 530ml 4) 540ml 5) 550ml 6) 560ml In addition, if possible, can you explain the rationale behind a "legal" & an "illegal" short measure pint with reference to decisions of relevant UK courts. Thanks in advance. Kenny --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Stephen Humphreys <[email protected]> wrote: From: Stephen Humphreys <[email protected]> Subject: [USMA:43103] RE: Worthing Herald letter To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 2:46 PM The article tends to back up the myth that such a 'pint' in the UK would actually be legal. 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