This from the poster who's been banned from here (and many other forums, changing his name on the way) over and over and even presents himself as "somewhere in the middle" to the folk here before the truth comes out, launching to the extremes that made him an 'enemy' to his apparent cause in the first place. Too obvious John "dollar collapse" P-S.
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:37:14 -0700 From: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:44137] Re: changed to 'different opinion' To: [email protected] It's too late Stephen. Everyone here knows your true feelings about the metric system and no longer believe anything you say. The people who post here and promote the metric system already understand the subject fully. This is discussion forum to PROMOTE metrication, thus differing views serve no useful purpose, other then to divert and distract away from the goal of metrication. It is one thing to point out failures in some regions and another thing to PROMOTE failures. If you really want to prove to us that you are not anti-metric as you say, then list some examples of where and how you promoted metric usage. The only way the pro-metric cause is embarrassed is when it fails to see the detractors in its mist and allows them to continue to do damage to metrication. You have a right to your opinion but this is not the forum to discuss it. You HAD other forums to present your opinions, but you chose to attack the people who opposed you and thus the sites were either closed down or abandoned, leaving only you to post. I am aware that you have copied my emails from this forum to the metric versus imperial forum with the intent to mock me. Yet, if you observe there is no response to anything you posted. You are alone there. That should tell you something. Jerry From: Stephen Humphreys <[email protected]> To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:56:26 AM Subject: [USMA:44076] Re: changed to 'different opinion' Very well put, Carleton. You need a wide variety of opinion in a discussion in order to understand the subject fully and why others might hold a differing (or even opposite) opinion. You cannot learn much if everyone keeps saying 'yes'. There are those who would like to silence opposing opinion, or have it banned, etc - these people are the sort of people you would not be best to associate with if they appear to share your opinion on the outside - they're motives tend to be privately different. I used to be anti-metric. Yup! It's true! But it's discussion forums like this one and others that made me come to "the middle" and become pro-choice. Now I realise that this still does not fit in with the majority opinion here who are definitely 'pro-metric' but consider the fact that it's discussions that I've read here (and on other forums) that have moved me away from the anti-metric position. In my case I sould put those forums down as being successful to that cause rather than generate hostility. And this is DESPITE those who many have said tend to 'embarrass' the pro-metric cause (I can tend to see through the extreme sort who talk of *actual wars* about the subject and the like, even insulting entire nations, eg wanting hardship on my own country of all things!!). I have said I am pro-choice because that's what I want for everyone. My own preference **tends** to be for imperial (not always but on balance 'mainly'). That's different - because that's personal . It's heart and head stuff. And it's my choice and opinion to be that way - you are free to say that I am wrong and I have never forced my opinion here by spamming hundreds of mails because I respect the ownership of this forum. *I* don't think I'm wrong because I don't think I could tell someone else that their preferences are wrong too. Nothing is that clear cut - hence the discussions and arguments STILL going on after all these years - and pressure groups representing all sides. And as I said - my personal preference is quite (but not much) different to my overall view of pro-choice. And I use metric when I want to and I don't feel like I'm doing anything 'wrong' or 'strange' - and I would say that to anyone who criticises my use of metric as much as I would for my use of imperial. So thanks for bringing that up Carelton - I can tell you're a well balanced, well meaning individual ;-) In an effort to contain multi-emails I'll respond to another poster who spoke about cheating custoemrs etc. I tend to feel that people are inherently good, that a minority are bad. I also believe that we should come down heavy on anyone who is bad. I also think that if your bread and butter (does that translate to US?) relies on a good reputation then you don't cheat your own customers. Having said all that I do not see why that would be an issue if a shop displays both imperial and metric "where it counts". I say "where it counts" meaning those areas where you actually do make a purchase based upon weight. Most places show both in this case (eg Fruit, Veg. Deli, etc). I don't think that is cheating people. With regards to pre-packed stuff I don't have a strong opinion. I actually believe (get this, how radical can you be...) that people select packed items based mainly on appearance. Like cereals, bread, etc. The look and feel comes into play. And if it does not what are you going to do? Empty some of the cornflakes out so it becomes XXX g or XX oz? I know that there needs to be weight markings on these items and for consistency I'd probably prefer it to be dual but in reality it's there to meet legal requirements - I've yet to hear someone actually go into Tesco to seek out so-many-measures of biscuits, etc. With the possible excpetion of "pints" of milk and the "2 litre" pop bottles - they've almost become trade marks. Well - that's my one 'condensed' post for the entire weekend - feel free to shoot me down but all I can offer is my opinion, my thoughts and my personal take on things. I actually hope that some things I've said about the UK can help form opinion on "how not to do things / where it's gone wrong / where it's succeeded etc...". For the 'warrior' that must sound odd - passing my "secrets" to the "enemy" lol :-) To the rest it's great to know that differing opinions on how things are measured definitely does not mean human-to-human personal hatred. That's how its should be and fortunately the massive majority tend to be that way. Steve From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:44060] Re: take it off--take it all off! Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:16:37 -0400 This is a discussion forum, not a decision-making body. Everyone should be part of the discussion forum because you need to know what opponents are thinking, and sometimes what they have to say can clarify your own thinking. A decision-making body, however, should be made up of only those committed to the goals of that body. Thus, the US Metric Board’s fatal flaw. If you decide you are going to do something, then all of you have to be in agreement to do it.. Carleton From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremiah MacGregor Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 20:00 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:44025] Re: take it off--take it all off! Paul, If you really want to see some progress in metrication, then the last thing you need is for this forum to be sabotaged by anti-metric forces. None of these comments by either myself or Ken was meant to be a private pique but to expose Stephen Humphreys for what he is: extremely anti-metric no matter what curtain he hides behind. If the purpose of this forum is to promote metrication in the US, then why do you need someone from a foreign country who opposes metrication to get in your way? Just because someone is polite does not make them friendly to your cause. The US metric board failed not from internal strife, but allowing members who were anti-metric to be apart of it. If you want that same failure to be a part of USMA efforts to metricate, then by all means welcome the Stephen Humphreys types with open arms. If I were in your shoes, I would bite the bullet and tell Stephen he is not welcome here as his views are anathema to the goals of the USMA listserver. Failure to do that and you will end up like the US metric board. Jerry From: Paul Trusten <[email protected]> To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:09:28 PM Subject: [USMA:43988] take it off--take it all off! No, I don't have a stripper video attached. I am asking our Listserver subscribers once again to please take private piques and quarrels off the list. Active as we may be, we supporters of metrication are small in number. We are a family of committed, thinking people, and should always work to resolve our differences and build each other up, not tear each other down. I have always been, and remain, honored to count myself a member of both USMA and this list. A number of us belong on a future U.S. Metric Board, because we have been studying the U.S. metrication problem, not just for a day or two, but for decades. Add to that the fact that we come from disparate experiences and professions, and that is the proper mix of human resources for writing a metrication plan for the Nation. The first U.S. Metric Board died just as much from internal strife as it did from national leadership failure. We must stand united in spirit as well as in vision. Paul Trusten, R.Ph. 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