Stan, Pat, and David:

I, too, am favorably impressed by the technical chapters of David McKay's book 
(the only chapters I have scanned to date).

However, I, too, would prefer he had more consistently used the SI unit of 
energy, the joule (J), rather than the kWh; and the SI unit of power, the watt 
(W), rather than the kWh/day; and used other SI prefixes consistently with the 
J and W as needed. Amounts of energy can be discrete with no particular 
interval of time involved. The h and day are *outside* coherent SI.  They 
encumber easy reading.

I have other objections as well which could confuse some readers who are not 
well educated in SI and mathematics conventions: 

David confuses mass and weight in several places.

He also uses multiple operators (.../.../...)in several places
which require effort by the reader to be certain of meaning.

Nevertheless, David's technical chapters are a valuable study of power and 
energy in practical applications.

Eugene A. Mechtly, PhD-Physics
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:50:53 +1000
>From: Pat Naughtin <[email protected]>  
>Subject: [USMA:45108] Re: MacKay  
>To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>
>Cc: USMA Metric Association <[email protected]>, David JC McKay 
><[email protected]>
>
>   On 2009/05/27, at 10:15 AM, Stan Jakuba wrote:
>
>     I mentioned this book once before: "Sustainable
>     Energy - without hot air." Its brilliant author,
>     an Englishman, decided to continue the
>     narrow-minded habit of his ancestors by making
>     himself a unit for his book. A man of that caliber
>     would, one should hope, recognize the advantage of
>     coherence among units and stick with it. Not so.
>     Metric yes, SI no.
>      
>     Reading this enormously useful book, it annoyed me
>     having to go thru endless conversions to his
>     preferred "kWh per day" from the much shorter and
>     commonly used W. How much easier it would be to
>     read the book if one were not bothered a dozen
>     times on a page after page with repetitious
>     conversions in brackets such as ........ 45 GW (18
>     kWh per day) ....... or .......18 kWh per day (45
>     GW) .........
>      
>     I wrote to the publisher and you might find the
>     letter interesting. It is attached. To keep it to
>     the (metric) point, the first two paragraphs are
>     omitted - they were compliments to the author and
>     the publisher.
>________________
>________________
>   Dear Stan,
>   Well done! Some time ago, I wrote to the author but
>   I did not receive a reply that I could call
>   sympathetic to the idea of using rational units from
>   the SI for energy or for power. Basically, it seemed
>   to me that he took my remarks and positive
>   suggestions for improvement to be a personal insult.
>   I was reminded of the children's maxim. Oh what a
>   wicked web we weave, when first we practice to
>   deceive.
>   Among other things, I objected to the sentence:
>   'But this book concerns all forms of energy
>   consumption and production, and I will use the word
>   'power' for all of them.'
>   I took energy consumption to mean energy
>   consumption, and I took energy production to mean
>   energy production. But the author reckoned that I
>   should be sophisticated enough to read that he had
>   implied a 'per some unit of time' from his sentence
>   and I should have inferred that he meant power when
>   he wrote energy. David JC McKay wrote back to me to
>   say:
>   I think the sentence is fine.
>   Energy consumption is power.
>   Energy production is power.
>   But I remain confused. I still think that  energy
>   consumption means energy consumption, and energy
>   production mean energy production as no unit of time
>   is mentioned or implied. Granted, even though I
>   trained to be a farmer, I have enough knowledge of
>   physics to guess whether the author might means
>   energy or power from most contexts, but as the
>   intended audience seems to be politicians,
>   journalists, and the general public I don't like the
>   writer's chances of being widely understood.
>   It seems that there are two muddled issues.
>   Firstly, many (probably most) politicians, and
>   journalists have no idea that energy and power are
>   two quite different and distinct physical realities.
>   For example, the Australian Government Minister for
>   Climate Change routinely swaps and changes between
>   the two words (and realities) in her speeches. James
>   Prescott Joule and William Thomson (Lord
>   Kelvin) distinguished clearly between energy and
>   power in the 1860s but sadly some scientists
>   (hopefully few) choose to try to talk down to
>   politicians, journalists, and the public in some
>   sort of garbled unscientific language using
>   ill-defined words whose meanings were initially
>   perpetrated by journalists and linguists. 
>   Secondly, few writers about energy issues (such as
>   global warming, climate change, peak energy, and
>   peak oil) know that the International System of
>   Units (SI) is coherent in that it has only one unit
>    — joule — for energy, and that this has been an
>   internationally accepted unit since 1889.
>   However having said that, I absolutely agree with
>   you that David McKay's book deserves a wide audience
>   for its design and the layout of  the content. I
>   have to say that I was delighted with the ideas in
>   the book and their presentation. McKay was extremely
>   thorough in his choice of sources for the energy
>   that humans use and the graphics are simple and
>   superb. You can obtain (by purchase or download) a
>   copy of David JC Mcay's book
>   from http://www.withouthotair.com 
>   McKay has done fascinating research and has given a
>   great deal of thought on how to present his findings
>   to the public and hopefully to our politicians. The
>   main faults — and they are significant faults —
>   are in muddling the words energy and power, and in
>   the avoidance of the word joule to unnecessarily
>   avoid big numbers larger than about 100. 
>   This whole issue of muddling energy and power and
>   their measurement is, of course, wider in it
>   implications. It goes to the heart of the relevance
>   of science to the pressing issues of the 21st
>   century. If science cannot be communicated simply
>   and clearly to the public and their politicians, of
>   what use is it?
>   Let me quote from an email you sent to me a week or
>   two ago:
>   As a friend of mine says: "People will take years to
>   debate an energy issue but not a semester of
>   physics." Nowhere is that more pronounced than in
>   the USA, in my opinion. Our country has more degreed
>   people per capita than any other, mostly graduates
>   of liberal arts colleges and law schools. The basic
>   physics is missing in the compulsory coursework.
>   Thus we have the perfect background for breeding
>   outspoken energy advocates that cannot understand
>   each other. And not realizing why. Stan Jakuba
>   2009-05-11
>   Fifty years ago, C. P Snow a UK scientist and
>   novelist remarked in a lecture, and subsequently a
>   book, entitled, The Two Cultures and the Scientific
>   Revolution, that scientists and humanists could not
>   combine to address the problems of the world (on
>   1959 May 7) because they simply could not understand
>   each others language(s). It seems to me that C. P.
>   Snow's concerns are still very real and that they
>   should be urgently reconsidered again in 2009. You
>   might be interested in an article that I wrote on
>   this issue called, 'Is science dead?'.
>________________
>________________
>   As a reminder (I've shared these with you before),
>   you might also be interested in a poster and an
>   article I have written on this previously.
>   See:
>   http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/EnergyWords.pdf 
>   and
>   http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/AWordAboutGlobalWarming.pdf 
>   Cheers,
>    
>   Pat Naughtin
>   P.S. I have sent a copy of this email to Professor
>   David JC McKay as a matter of courtesy.
>   PO Box 305 Belmont 3216,
>   Geelong, Australia
>   Phone: 61 3 5241 2008
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