Thanks John, you seem to have found what I was looking for. I see the Cider 
(Hard) that I bought is 6% alcohol according to the label. I'll have to do some 
more reading to see exactly whose jurisdiction it falls under, does seem to be 
a grey area and strikes me as particularly dumb that all metric is required on 
wine but no metric required on beer or malt beverages.

Mike Payne
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John M. Steele 
  To: U.S. Metric Association 
  Sent: Wednesday, 07 October 2009 17:05
  Subject: [USMA:45947] Re: Hard Cider Labeling


        Some Googling shows that hard cider <7% ABV is exempt fro metric fill 
requirements.
        http://www.ttb.gov/pdf/notices_alcohol/notice881.pdf
        quoted snippet:
        We note there is some confusion in the industry on whether the wine

        labeling rules and standards of fill in 27 CFR part 4 apply to hard

        cider less than 7 percent alcohol by volume. They do not. The rules in

        part 4 implement the FAA Act, and apply only to wine which contains

        ``not less than 7 percent and not more than 24 percent of alcohol by

        volume.'' That is why hard cider under 7% alcohol by volume is exempt

        from ATF's label approval requirements and metric standards of fill.

        Instead, wine under 7 percent alcohol is subject to Food and Drug

        Administration labeling rules. However, ATF has some wine labeling

        jurisdiction under the IRC, which applies to all beverage wine

        containing 0.5 percent or more alcohol by volume. The IRC wine labeling

        rules are in 27 CFR part 24. These rules do apply to hard cider under 7

        percent alcohol by volume.


        However, if FDA rules apply, it is not clear to me why dual labeling 
isn't required.  It seems as though it should be. (or the product has totally 
fallen in a crack between agencies.)


        --- On Wed, 10/7/09, Michael Payne <[email protected]> wrote:


          From: Michael Payne <[email protected]>
          Subject: [USMA:45943] Hard Cider Labeling
          To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>
          Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 10:24 AM


          Saw a bottle of Hard Cider yesterday day labeled as "22 ounces", I'm 
sure really means fluid ounces. No other quantity provided. It got me wondering 
what the law states here in the US on labeling hard Cider. In the US Cider is 
apple juice, Hard cider has an alcohol content.

          According to the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (what a 
mouthful) http://www.ttb.gov/ Hard Cider is apple wine:

          *Hard Cider*
          Still wine derived primarily from apples or apple concentrate and 
water (apple juice, or the equivalent amount of concentrate reconstituted to 
the original brix of the juice prior to concentration, must represent more than 
50 percent of the volume of the finished product) containing no other fruit 
product nor any artificial product which imparts a fruit 
          flavor other than apple; containing at least one-half of one percent 
(0.5%) and less than seven percent alcohol by volume; having the taste, aroma, 
and characteristics generally attributed to hard cider; and sold or offered for 
sale as hard cider.

          *High-proof concentrate*
          For wine:  A volatile fruit-flavor concentrate (essence) that has an 
alcohol content of more than 24 percent by volume and is unfit for beverage use 
(nonpotable) because of its natural constituents, i.e., without the addition of 
other substances.

          http://www.ttb.gov/forms_tutorials/glossary/letter_h.html

          http://www.ttb.gov/forms/f512036worksheet.pdf

          This leads me to wonder if the bottle is required to be labeled like 
wine with milliliters only.

          Anyone have any other information or input. I'm thinking of writing 
to the bottler in Michigan, who stated in an  email that it's about 660 mL, "a 
common size for Cider in the US".

          Mike Payne

       

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