Scott, Karl, Peter sirs: > One idea I thought of is a Playing Card calendar based on the ISO week, ….. I was associated with ‘formative stage’ of ISO calendar draft ISO:8601:1975 suggesting the use of WW and/or MM in date writing [yyyy-mm/ww-dd] as descending order dating and included a chapter on Descending Order Dating in my book: Towards A Unified Technology (1982). It may be seen that ISO or Playing Card calendars can use my 91-day (13-weeks) year in FOUR quarters (with or without) Leap Weeks & Kepler Leap Weeks of Year XXXX ‘without much difficulty! Between date and Time of decimalised HOUR, I suggest the use of “H” as separator, like 20100202H20:89(decimal) > …..aimed at finding something simpler. This is not a proposal yet, just > observations. It is the‘ Ease, simplicity and least costly’ proposal that I could come up having produced several options – be these ‘metric, decimal or sidereal’ distribution of time of the year/day. Most discrepancies of Gregorian calendar that came across me have been attended to: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_metro-contrbn.2007.pdf and I recall my childhood days to recall number of ‘days in the month as a rhyme or ‘count up/down high & lows’ on closing fist of one hand: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_CalRhyme.jpg . Only July 31st is shifted to 2nd month as February 29th (every year), keeping December 31st outside the calendar format – to account for World Peace Day or for ‘count of Leap weeks’. >….. Northern Hemisphere - but what is 2010-W42-3? This is NO difficulty, learning over ‘time….but, how long!’ It does leave the idea open to dissolve unceremonious like the discussion on Calendar Reform – kept in to die by itself. Some arguments that I advanced favouring my Leap Weeks with Kepler Leap Weeks were discussed at calendr-L: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_and-whyNot_perpetual.pdf >….. also a good candidate, although as a sample date format, 2009-Q4-W13-7 is >still unclear. Difficulty here, to me , seem as *the number of changes that a man on street or the task of corporation heads shall have to ORDER/face in making their employees ‘comfortable’ and the cost of change over/teaching aids in any proposal that is like to meet needs of *International bodies and United Nations*. I show some calculation effective Year ZERO ‘0000’ and drift that may be useful: http://www.brijvij.com/drift-yearStart_div.6.doc. Minimal or NO such expense is to burden the tax-payer! > Thanks for the responses so far from everyone. They've been helpful in > defining my thoughts. I thank you for kind words, being a consistent ‘individual’ sunk with the ideology for an Alternate to World Calendar. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_props.Alt.Wrld-Cal.pdf. May be these strengthen your ideas, to make the World at ease. Regards,
Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55229)/1726+D-044W06-02 (G. Tuesday, 2009 February 02H21:14 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ ******As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar***** "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Contact # 001 (201) 675-8548 > Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 03:10:59 -0500 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: A Notation Proposal Re: Basis of my thought processes RE: ISO > Week Dates, and the Months > To: [email protected] > > Errata: The date is actually Boxing Day, Saturday December 26th 2009 - brain > slipped a gear there. > > On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 03:07:30 -0500, Scott Watkins <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >After my last message I had a bit of a brainstorm regarding date notation, > >and came up with a variant on ISO Week that might be worth considering. > > > >I'll illustrate with an example date: > > > >2009L-Q4-W13-6 > > > >It breaks down like this: > > > >The year is 2009. > >2009 is a Long Year (53 Weeks). > >This date is in the 4th Quarter of the year. > >The date is during the 13th Week of the 4th Quarter. > >The date is a Sunday. > > > >Inferred from this, this is the last day of the last full week before New > >Year's Eve, given that this is a Long Year. Actually, looking at the > >Gregorian world, it's the day after Boxing Day, December 27th, 2009. > > > >It feels pretty intuitive. I think I'll call it Quarter Week Date Notation. > > > >Thoughts? > > > >Scott > > > > > >On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 01:03:27 -0500, Scott Watkins <[email protected]> > >wrote: > > > >>Thanks for your replies , Brij and Peter. I've read a bit of both of your > >>calendar work, and you have interesting ideas. > >> > >>Brij, your Modified Gregorian seems to match in spirit to where I'm trying > >>to get to here, in that it's an attempt to make the accepted calendar more > >>rational. > >> > >>Similarly, Peter, I agree that a Leap Week Calendar, and week based month > >>lengths are preferable. > >> > >>To address what Karl Palmen and Tom Peters have said elsewhere in this > >>discussion, I am aware that what I've written so far is too complicated for > >>general public use. I've started with looking for correlations and trying to > >>extract rules based on such things as a part of a process aimed at finding > >>something simpler. This is not a proposal yet, just observations. > >> > >>What I'm looking for, in a nutshell, is a way to make ISO Week intuitively > >>understandable. My observations around months were the beginning of a > >>'thinking out loud' process to try and come up with something. > >> > >>What I've tried to get to here is a rational description of standardized > >>"Business Months" - for lack of a better term - that is week based. From > >>there I'm hoping to define a calendar that works like the Gregorian, but is > >>based on the ISO. I'm thinking of it as a way to pull the mechanics of the > >>Gregorian Calendar out of the equation, and approach simplification from > there. > >> > >>ISO Week is a widely accepted standard, and I very much like it's > >>simplicity. My only real issue with it is that 52 or 53 are large enough > >>numbers to make it difficult to intuitively know what part of the year a > >>given date is. > >> > >>2010-W02-7 is a pretty easy to figure out time and season - firmly winter in > >>the temperate part of the Northern Hemisphere - but what is 2010-W42-3? If > >>you're good at math in your head, it's early fall in the North based on > >>modulo-13 calculations, but that implies a level of difficulty beyond many > >>people worldwide. Not only that, but seasons at the equator don't really > >>easily divide into anything. > >> > >>Also, how do you know from just looking at an ISO Week date whether > >>2009-W52-7 was New Year's Eve? It wasn't, but there's no intuitive basis for > >>knowing that from the date alone. > >> > >>Beyond defining months, there are other approaches that are also worth > >>considering. Any sub unit containing weeks would be useful. Quarters are a > >>well defined and heavily used business time unit, so they are also a good > >>candidate, although as a sample date format, 2009-Q4-W13-7 is still unclear. > >> > >>Thanks for the responses so far from everyone. They've been helpful in > >>defining my thoughts. > >> > >>Scott _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/
