On 2010/06/15, at 11:42 , Bill Hooper wrote:

On  Jun 14 , at 8:52 PM, Brian White wrote:

But Bill, regardless-- (1800cc is) pronounced eighteen hundred see see. And, That's hardly a problem.

I agree that it IS done the way you say. What I am saying is, that it is not correct SI to say it that way. Therefore, it should NOT be said that way. Those who DO say it that way need to be informed why it is bad practice and encouraged to use correct practice.

You seem to think a mish-mash of various SI and non-SI measures and their expressions is "hardly a problem".
I maintain that it is a BIG problem.

If everyone makes up his or her own pet ways of using SI (by altering the way they write or pronounce the measures) then we will quickly degenerate into the same miserable mess we have had with all the varieties of old English measures. Everybody wants to have his or her own "special unit" or special way of saying or writing it. When everybody has a different way of using/saying/writing the measures, then NO ONE will be able to understand anyone else.

Mutual understanding is far more important than mere ease of writing or speaking the measures.

Regards,
Bill Hooper
Fernandina Beach, Florida, USA


Dear Bill,

Well said. I agree with your thoughts wholeheartedly.

I would go further and say that the production of a local measuring lingo (local jargon) also has a profound effect on the process of metrication. Where guidance is given to choose a single multiple of a metric unit the metrication is smooth, generally accepted by the community, and fast.

As a successful example consider the introduction of the sub-multiple metric unit millilitre. This has been generally successful wherever it was used (in beer, wine, and soft drinks). The process worked in my opinion because newcomers to this metric unit had nothing to discuss and, more importantly, no decision to make – the choice of unit had been made for them and the transition for 2000 millilitres to 2 litres came less often and later.

I won't bother to give details here of the many, many, successful metrication transitions that happened rapidly when the single unit millimetres was recommended and used.

It seems to me that this sort of metrication transition aligns with the thought espoused by Chip and Dan Heath in their book, Made to Stick: Why Some Ideas Survive and Others Die. See http://www.madetostick.com/theauthors

The Heath brothers describe 'decision paralysis' as a process that occurs when you might really want to change but at the outset you are provided with a choice that you cannot make without possessing the necessary resources to make that choice. In the case of beer, wine, and soft drinks the choice was already made so the majority of the population could more readily accept the change as reality and get on with their life.

You might compare this success with the obvious failure of human height to 'go metric'. Here anyone who wants to 'go metric' with human height is immediately confronted with the choice of whether to use metres. centimetres, or even millimetres. As this choice is seen to be too difficult for most people they immediately revert to the secure, conservative, position and quote their height and the heights of their family and friends in feet, inches, and fractions of inches. I predict that the 'decision paralysis' that currently operates in this area will continue for another 100 years or more, and since it is so personal to all people, it will also prove to be an impediment to many other metrication transitions.

Another failure in this context is the birth mass of babies where the decision to use grams or kilograms has to be made by new mothers (and her sisters, and her cousins, whom she reckons up by dozens, and her aunts!). These people, ignoring the safety of the baby, routinely avoid making a decision of using grams or kilograms confront a 'decision paralysis' and ask: 'What's that in pounds and ounces?' I have no doubt that eventually baby masses will be measured, recorded, and reported in grams but this will also take a very long time to happen without leadership.

Cheers,

Pat Naughtin
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