Ah, dear Bruce. You continue to pursue off topic subjects here. So I
have changed the subject line to warn people off.
Perhaps you should consider the tax payer dollars being spent on
developing solar and wind energy sources and subsidizing purchasers of
those systems before you rant about tax payer dollars going into nuclear
power. Nuclear power plants, by contrast, are not subsidized by the
Federal government.
My understanding is that the Yucca Mountain research and development
program was heavily funded by privately owned operators of nuclear power
plants in the U.S. The Federal government undoubtedly spent some money
coordinating that, but they did so out of consideration of the common
good (a term used by economists), namely safety. The Feds run a much
larger organization that also spends tax payer dollars for the sake of
public safety, the EPA. Then of course, one can include the USDA and the
FDA.
Now, to bring this back to the topic of the SI....
I would like to see some figures showing how many tax dollars are used
to establish 1 GW of generating capacity each year in the U.S. Or would
it make more sense to take facility lifetimes into account and look at
cost divided by lifetime energy production, say in dollars spent for
each 1 MJ?
Jim
On 2011-03-15 1736, [email protected] wrote:
'We spent decades and billions preparing Yucca to be that repository,
but reactionary, emotional positions like yours have wiped that out and
unsafely left waste stored above ground.'
Yes, billions of TAX PAYERS DOLLARS. Nuke Energy is not COST EFFECTIVE.
Bruce E. Arkwright, Jr
Erie PA
Linux and Metric User and Enforcer
Id put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I
hope we dont have to wait til oil and coal run out before we tackle
that. I wish I had a few more years left. -- Thomas Edison♽☯♑
On Mar 15, 2011, *John M. Steele* <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm not sure what I said that prompted that.
As this amazingly emotional, but mostly data free (as far as levels)
points out,
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110315/ts_yblog_thelookout/japanese-nuclear-plant-workers-emerging-as-heroic-figures-in-tragedy
the workers do have protective gear, dosimeters and are rotated out
when they reach their maximum safe dose. I assume they will have to
avoid exposure for a considerable period of time to avoid exceeding
an annual average, but the article is too devoid of data to tell.
The article is also lacking in explaining what levels unevacuated
citizens (30 km from the plant) are exposed to, but logic says it is
less than at the plant.
Since you think there is no safe storage, perhaps we need to dig up
all radioactive material on earth and launch it into space (half the
rockets would probably crash). It is usually regarded as safe enough
if we had left it alone in the ground, although it goes through
essentially the same decay cycle in the ground. It is just spread
out. That suggests to me the spent fuel could be stored in the
ground. We spent decades and billions preparing Yucca to be that
repository, but reactionary, emotional positions like yours have
wiped that out and unsafely left waste stored above ground. (That
in-ground storage requires, in my view, recycling the spent fuel
rods to recover the uranium and plutonium and recycling it into new
fuel rods. That saves digging up as much ore, and radically reduces
the half-life of the waste.)
Obviously, the earthquake has caused a BIG problem with these
nuclear plants, but a properly running nuclear reactor emits less
radiation than is in the coal a coal burning plant burns. Japan
needs to recover from this mess, but then all nations operating
reactors need to learn from it.
--- On *Tue, 3/15/11, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> /<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>/* wrote:
From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [USMA:50039] Re: Putting radiation levels in perspective
To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 5:57 PM
I find it interested how arrogant certain to persons are along
with the republicans when it comes to the safety and the
well-being of workers and citizens or soldiers, when people are
right this moment are being contaminated with radiation. You can
not just shower it off, all these people are not prepared in
handle radiation, nor have protective gear. There is no
decontamination, of the lungs, after breathing in radiation
dust. Well if they die, oh well, its the good of the all that
matters as long as I have my power NOW. Nukes in any form is not
safe. There is no safe location for storage, perhaps we can use
the backyards of the 'supporters' homes for storage space, hell
why not, they would be paid handsomely with tax payers money for
hundreds of years to come, they probability get a tax write off
to boot.
Bruce E. Arkwright, Jr
Erie PA
Linux and Metric User and Enforcer
Id put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of
power! I hope we dont have to wait til oil and coal run out
before we tackle that. I wish I had a few more years left. --
Thomas Edison♽☯♑
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