Dear Brian and Harry,

My discussions about centimetres are based on direct observations that prove to 
me that centimetres have never been used for a smooth, economical, and FAST 
metrication upgrade - anywhere in the world or at any time.

I have no hatred of centimetres. I only have observations that the use of 
centimetres impedes and dramatically delays any effort you put into your 
metrication efforts. However, that said, if you choose to use the slowest 
possible path to your metrication for yourself, your work group, your company, 
your industry, and your nation then I respect your decision to do so using 
centimetres as part of your approach. I also challenge you to let me know of 
any examples where centimetres have successfully produced a metrication 
transition in an economical, smooth, and FAST way.

For me, I know that metrication for a company can be done in a single day using 
millimetres and, as I have said before the metrication process can take 200 
years or more using centimetres - it's your choice. See 
http://metricationmatters.com/docs/MetricationInADay.pdf 

By the way, could you please let me know about examples that you have found 
where the reverse is true i.e. that centimetres can be used for a rapid 
metrication transition. I have not been able to find an example of this 
happening.

Cheers,

Pat Naughtin
Geelong, Australia

On 2011/06/13, at 14:06 , <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've always thought the same thing.  This whole cm vs mm thing is nonsense.   
> It really doesn't matter.
> My skis are 168 cm....I know that's 1680 mm.   I know 2.4 km is 2400 meters.  
>  Ok....we all get it.  That's what makes the metric system so easy.
> 
> So--grab a 250 mL (or 25 cL) glass of wine, take a sip and relax.  
> 
> This has to go down as one of the dumbest threads on this list yet-- 
> centimeter hatred.  Now that's rich.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [USMA:50601] cm vs. mm
> From: Harry Wyeth <[email protected]>
> Date: Sun, June 12, 2011 9:01 pm
> To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>
> 
> May I suggest that the issue of mm vs. cm is pretty low on the agenda for 
> moving forward with adoption of the metric system in the US?  I know that 
> Aussies usually refer to short measurements in mm, which is fine.  But if an 
> American wants to order a piece of plywood cut at the lumber yard as, say, 
> 155 x 80 cm, I would be really pleased (I once overheard a Kiwi--NZ 
> citizen--asking just such a thing).  Telling someone that an easy way to know 
> what a cm is by referring to his finger can be useful.  Same with the 
> distance of 10 cm or 100 mm with reference to a palm width.  I personally 
> find it easier to visualize the size of a cat, for example, as perhaps 40 cm 
> long than 400 mm.
> 
> The key to adopting the metric system in the US is just to use it.  It 
> doesn't matter if people use it incorrectly at first, or use cm instead of 
> mm, or even use kms instead of km, or KM, or even kph.  What we need is 
> leadership from government--this has always been my belief--which could start 
> with, for example, weighing mail in grams and measuring postal packages in mm 
> or cm and on and on.  My favorite easy one would be selling milk in liter 
> dairy cartons, as they do in Canada and Australia and probably everywhere 
> else.
> 
> The cm vs. mm debates may be technically interesting, but they do not do much 
> toward actually advancing metrication.
> 
> HARRY WYETH

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