The ordinary, and ion exhaust velocities I find on the Internet are:
All in meters per second (m/s):
30 000  Turbofan 
  2 500  Solid Rocket
  4 400  Liquid Rocket
30 000  Ion Thrustor for station holding corrections on commercial satellites
90 000  Maximum, all much less than 3 x 10^8 m/s

Typical ion motor thrusts are 0.5 newtons, much less that any vehicle's  
"weight" (force of gravity) on Earth..  

---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:45:04 -0500 (CDT)
>From: <[email protected]>  
>Subject: [USMA:50695] Re: Solar Electric Propulsion  
>To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>
>
>Energy conservation does not necessarily limit the maximum thrust possible.
>The key is obtaining the highest *propulsion* "specific impulse" (m/s) 
>possible.
>i.e. the highest "exhaust velocity" (m/s) that is possible.
>
>Back to the Internet to find some realistic numbers for that velocity.  EAM.
>
>---- Original message ----
>>Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:27:08 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: "John M. Steele" <[email protected]>  
>>Subject: Re: [USMA:50686] Solar Electric Propulsion  
>>To: [email protected], "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>
>>
>>   But that side effect may equal or exceed the ion
>>   thrust.  The photons are either reflected or
>>   absorbed, giving two values for light pressure
>>   (reality is a mix based on percentage
>>   reflectivity).  Some of the absorbed ones can be
>>   electricity rather than thermal impact energy, but
>>   the impulse is still there.
>>    
>>   The electricity can power an ion drive, but I think
>>   the 1st Law ensures the ion thrust can't exceed the
>>   photon thrust on the system.  The photon thrust is
>>   the direction of the Poynting vector for absorbed
>>   photons.  By Snell's law, some thrust vectoring can
>>   be obtained for the reflected photons, and up to
>>   twice the pressure since they leave at the speed of
>>   light too.  However the "lightship" would have a
>>   much smaller range of navigational opportunity than
>>   a sailing vessel with a keel and the ability to
>>   resist sideways thrust.  I doubt it can tack to
>>   sunward, it would be more like a square-rigged ship.
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------
>>
>>   From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>   To: John M. Steele <[email protected]>;
>>   U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]>
>>   Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 1:00:14 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [USMA:50686] Solar Electric Propulsion
>>   Yes, Ions are the masses which impart the propulsion
>>   thrust,  The much less massive electrons need to be
>>   discarded to maintain charge neutrality.
>>
>>   The forces of solar photons are a side effect in the
>>   application of ion drives.
>>
>>   Although the velocities of the ions in the
>>   propulsion jet stream are very high,
>>   as close to c, (3 x 10^8 m/s), as possible, they are
>>   still well below the speed
>>   of light.  How are high are they in proposed (and
>>   already flown) ion drives?
>>   Let's search the Internet to find out.  EAM 
>>
>>   ---- Original message ----
>>   >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:15:04 -0700 (PDT)
>>   >From: "John M. Steele"
>>   <[email protected]> 
>>   >Subject: Re: [USMA:50686] Solar Electric
>>   Propulsion 
>>   >To: [email protected], "U.S. Metric Association"
>>   <[email protected]>
>>   >
>>   >  Ignoring relativity, the physical interpretation
>>   is
>>   >  the velocity at which you can throw fuel mass
>>   >  "overboard."  If it is some kind of "ion drive" I
>>   >  suppose you can't ignore relativity.
>>   >   
>>   >  The photons from the sun also act with direct
>>   force
>>   >  on the solar panels.  Past studies have looked at
>>   >  solar sails, etc.  Converting some of the energy
>>   to
>>   >  an ion drive could be a way to "vector" the
>>   thrust
>>   >  from the light pressure and provide more control.
>>   >
>>   >   
>>   ------------------------------------------------
>>   >
>>   >  From: "[email protected]"
>>   <[email protected]>
>>   >  To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]>
>>   >  Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 9:50:32 AM
>>   >  Subject: [USMA:50686] Solar Electric Propulsion
>>   >  The NASA John Glenn Center in Cleveland, Ohio is
>>   >  requesting Proposals
>>   >  for a demonstration of  Solar Electric
>>   Propulsion, a
>>   >  method of slowly thrusting
>>   >  probes along spiral trajectories into the outer
>>   >  regions of our solar system.
>>   >
>>   >  The "specific impulse" (m/s) required for such
>>   >  missions can only be achieved by electric
>>   propulsion
>>   >  (not by chemical rockets) fueled by solar or
>>   nuclear
>>   >  energy.
>>   >
>>   >  Specific Impulse (thrust times time; divided by
>>   the
>>   >  mass ejected by the rocket motor)  (newtons x
>>   >  seconds per kilogram) i.e. (kg x m/s^2) x s per
>>   kg =
>>   >  m/s.
>>   >
>>   >  In outdated studies, some engineers equated mass
>>   >  with weight and got the less
>>   >  acceptable result that pounds times seconds
>>   divided
>>   >  by pounds equals seconds.
>>   >
>>   >  Let's see if the winning proposal(s) can
>>   correctly
>>   >  distinguish mass and weight?
>>   >
>>   >  Gene Mechtly
>

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