No, this is due to Tradition.  Change bell ringing is a very old Tradition,
which is another way of saying “Don’t change anything ever.”  The bells were
measured that way hundreds of years ago in a way that almost everything was
– remember, most people back then could not comprehend large numbers (as in:
one, two, three, many).  There is no intent to deliberately confuse, it is
just the way things are done.  It’s related to the ancient concept of
measuring the height of horses in “hands” (the “hand” is defined as 4
inches) because, hundreds of years ago, that’s what people used (literally).

 

None of the bells in the various web sites Martin sent along are change
ringing bells, so they would be measured “normally”, that is, in kg,
possibly with pounds.  Only change ringing bells are measured using
hundredweights, quarters and pounds.  

 

It is hard to figure out how great or small the mass is of any bell when
measured in that archaic manner, but I suppose it does have some utility in
comparing the size of bells to each other.  That is, the tenor bell at the
Washington National Cathedral, 32-0-4 by the ancient measure (3588 lb or
1629 kg), is over seven times the size of the heaviest bell at St.
Martin-in-the-Fields in Philadelphia, 4-2-8 (512 lb or 232 kg).

 

We have a plaque in the Cathedral bell tower describing the bells and their
dedication.  The mass of each bell is shown and it is in pounds only, as no
one but a change ringer would have ANY idea what “32-0-4” meant.

 

The main reason we keep having to measure the bells that way is because
there would be a giant uproar from the UK if we didn’t.  And of the 5300 or
so change bell ringing towers in the world with bells, over 5100 of them are
in the UK.

 

In postinig 3

 

 

 

From: Kilopascal [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 10:06
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:52671] RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread

 

First of all I would be curious to know who today can visualise and
comprehend hundredweights and quarters without first converting it either
physically (with paper, pencil and calculator) or mentally to either
kilograms or pounds?  If virtually no one can, then what purpose is there to
state something in these obsolete units other then to deliberately confuse?
I'm sure some will use the excuse of tradition, but traditions can and do
change with the times.  

 

I find Martin's Wikipedia article somewhat odd.  Why are all the pound
weights in round numbers and the kilograms are exact conversions right down
to the kilogram?  Is someone going to tell me that those bells were made to
an exact hundred thousands of pounds?      

 


Heaviest functioning bell in the world


The title of most massive functioning bell in the world has been held
chronologically by:


Year

lb

tons

kg

Bell

Fate


732

96,000

48

43,545

 To-dai-ji Temple Bell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%8Ddai-ji> 

Surpassed


1484

655,000

327.5

297,103

 Great Bell of Dhammazedi
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bell_of_Dhammazedi> 

Sunk during transport


1602

96,000

48

43,545

 To-dai-ji Temple Bell

Surpassed


1633

148,000

74

67,132

 Chion-in Temple Bell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chion-in> 

Surpassed


1810

195,000

97.5

88,451

 Mingun Bell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mingun_Bell> 

Fell during earthquake


1839

148,000

74

67,132

 Chion-in Temple Bell

Surpassed


1896

195,000

97.5

88,451

 Mingun Bell

Surpassed


1902

251,000

125.5

113,852

 Shitennō-ji Temple Bell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shitenn%C5%8D-ji> 

Recycled for war


1942

195,000

97.5

88,451

 Mingun Bell

Surpassed


2000

255,200

127.6

115,757

 Bell of Good Luck <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_of_Good_Luck> 

Incumbent

 

Was the Bell of Good Luck made in China in 2000 made to a nice round number
of pounds?  Why don't the tons have the same numerals as the kilograms if
the ton (tonne) is a true 1000 kg?  If the pound weights were made round
because pound users can't deal with too many digits and are not the true
weights to begin with, then the metric masses should also be rounded to
afford them the same relative accuracy.    

 

 


[USMA:52671] RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread
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Martin Vlietstra
<http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]&q=from:%22Martin+Vl
ietstra%22>  Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:12:36 -0700
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In spite of that, Wikipedia does not follow that convention - see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heaviest_bells and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_(instrument) .
 
 
From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Carleton MacDonald
Sent: 13 April 2013 22:28
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:52670] RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread
 
 
 
For bell ringing, archaic units are still used to measure the mass of bells.
It comes from England hundreds of years ago when people could not understand
large numbers.  The bells are shown in hundredweight (112 lb), quarters (28
lb or two stone) and pounds.  Three numbers.  Our heaviest bell, 1629 kg, is
shown as 32-0-4 which is 3588 lb - but that was an impossibly large number
for most people to understand way back when, so three small numbers were
used instead.  Tradition is very hard to overcome, though occasionally in
The Ringing World, and in some individual church bell web sites, bell mass
is shown in kg.
 
 
 
We use stone, or, rather, stones, at the Washington National Cathedral, too.
It's what the Cathedral is made of.  Limestone blocks and carved pieces of
limestone for the decorative parts. 
 
 
 
Carleton

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