There is no division by zero because it is not actual gravity.  It is standard 
gravity (roughly sea level, 45°latitude, 9.80665 m/s or equiv in ft/s).  It is 
purely an artifact to support lbm and lbf (and happens to be roughly the value 
on the surface of the earth).

I reject it too.  I vaguely remember being taught how to work in gravitational 
units (mostly through the slug, who measures mass in slugs?), but rejected it 
entirely as I became more familiar with metric.  Fortunately my college 
insisted 
we always work in metric.

NASA will carry (standard) earth gravity to the stars and distant planets where 
it will clearly be NOT the nominal local gravity, but remember it is only an 
artifact to set unit values.  If I had to compute in gravitational units, I 
would undoubtedly make a mistake.  I would change everything to metric, solve, 
and change the answer back, but I have tried to force my way through these 
scenarios to understand what they are doing.

I'm not really asserting pounds mass and pounds force are equal, but they give 
that appearance if you work in gravities.  People who work in gravitational 
units have to introduce one artifact, but there are three ways of doing so 
yielding three forms of units for f = ma
poundals (lbf x 32.17), lbm, ft/s²
lbf, slugs (lbm/32.17), ft/s²
lbf, lbm, gravities (ft/s² x 1/32.17)
They all do the same thing, introduce standard gravity into F = ma.


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From: "mechtly, eugene a" <[email protected]>
To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]>
Cc: "mechtly, eugene a" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 4:39:51 PM
Subject: [USMA:52738] RE: NASA mT and K


John (Steele), 


I agree with your observation that some parts of NASA are wedded to 
earth-gravitational ideas.

How does NASA-GRC define the Specific Impulse (Isp) of a Rocket Engine 
operating 
in deep space far from earth's gravity field where the value of g and W 
approach 
zero?  i.e. where  W = m g and W also approaches zero?

Would they still define Isp as thrust integrated over a short interval of time 
divided by weight (W)?  or would they divide by mass, respecting CGPM 
resolutions and avoiding the infinity arising from division by zero?
Where is the GRC "g" evaluated in  W = m g? 

It is the NASA-GRC "definition" of Specific Impulse that I reject.  The GRC 
equations contradict the CGPM resolution declaring the distinction between mass 
and weight (defined as a force).

I do not agree with your assertion that mass and force are the same thing 
if...(under any circumstance you select)! 
It is true that the numerical values of mass and weight can be forced to be 
equal by introducing a contrived multiplication or division factor, but that 
*manipulation* does not make the quantities mass and force equal!
Only the numerical values can be made equal in a hybrid non-system of units, 
e.g. where 10 lbf = 10 lbm.

There are many other abuses of unit names and unit symbols in the MSFC article 
on Ares V and in the GRC
article on Isp which deviate from standards on SI, too numerous to mention!
  
Eugene Mechtly


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From: Kilopascal [[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 8:15 AM
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:52737] RE: NASA mT and K


They use the dreaded sec instead of s for seconds.
 
[USMA:52737] RE: NASA mT and K 
John M. Steele Sat, 04 May 2013 04:59:16 -0700 
I think this "derivation" of specific impulse proves NASA is fundamentally  
wedded to US Customary and gravitational unit systems.  Metric is just a glossy 
 
conversion at the end to show EO12770 compliance.
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/airplane/specimp.html  At any rate, they mean 
burn time with the available fuel, assuming constant  thrust and fuel flow, it 
reduces to thrust multiplied by burn time divided by  fuel mass, or real 
specific impulse divided by earth gravity.  Mass and force  ARE the same thing 
if acceleration is divided by earth gravities.  There are  three ways to "fake" 
coherence of F = ma in Customary, poundals, slugs, or  gravities.  Poundals are 
mostly British, and most of us learned slugs in high  school but NASA uses 
gravities.  For me, learning metric was slugicide, have  killed them on sight 
ever since.

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