# [USMA 771] Re: Let's call it the Decimal System

```Re: How many people use Farhrenheit?

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I suspect that the majority of American use Fahrenheit, but that the majority
of temperature measurements in the US are made in Celsius (ie, this who use
Celsius make far more temperature measurements than those who use Fahrenheit).

From: USMA [mailto:usma-boun...@lists.colostate.edu] On Behalf Of John Altounji
Sent: 08 April 2018 00:19
To: Andrew Lowy; usma@lists.colostate.edu
Subject: [USMA 769] Re: Let's call it the Decimal System

The problem in these name is that Fahrenheit is decimal.  I wonder if you
received my post?  Here it is below.

John Altounji
One size does not fit all.
Social promotion ruined Education.

Education is values first, then knowledge.

<http://bit.do/tounj> http://bit.do/tounj

Beginning post:

I was looking for an electric kettle.  Many are labeled in liters only.  I
found the following one at amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/KINDEN-Glass-Electric-Kettle-Free/dp/B073RCCNPD/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8

<https://www.amazon.com/KINDEN-Glass-Electric-Kettle-Free/dp/B073RCCNPD/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1522966862&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=kinden+glass+electric+kettle&psc=1>
&qid=1522966862&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=kinden+glass+electric+kettle&psc=1

I read through the comments that Kinden “updated” the Celsius temperature to
Fahrenheit.  I asked the supplier if they still have any one with Celsius.
Here is our conversation:

You have received a message from the Amazon Seller - KINDEN

Message:

Dear John Altounji,

For now, we don't have it in Celsius, as we know most of Americans use
Fahrenheit.

Could you kindly advise us how many percents of Americans use Fahrenheit and
how many uses Celsius? that would help us improve our service in the future,
thanks.

Best Regards,
KINDEN

Most people in science use Celsius. 60% of the American industry is already
metric. Celsius is also used in major hospitals as well as kilogram to reduce
errors that could turn fatal.  Today students are quite familiar with Celsius.

I checked Canada and Mexico sites; they are metric, but the kettle is still in
Fahrenheit.

http://www.us-metric.org/

https://milebehind.wordpress.com/

then you “update” it to Fahrenheit.  I was wishing to find one from before the
update.

Thank you for asking me about the percentage. I could not find data related to
this question.

You have received a message from the Amazon Seller - KINDEN

Message:

Dear John Altounji,

We will forward to our related departments and will improve our service in the
future.

Best Regards,
KINDEN

John Altounji
One size does not fit all.
Social promotion ruined Education.

Education is values first, then knowledge.

http://bit.do/tounj

End post

From: USMA [mailto:usma-boun...@lists.colostate.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Lowy
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 8:47 AM
To: usma@lists.colostate.edu
Subject: [USMA 768] Let's call it the Decimal System

I think that’s an excellent idea! (Disclosure: I grew up in Australia, where it
became illegal to use non-decimal measurements for commercial purposes in
1972—6 years after they got rid of non-decimal currency). One day I will
ventilate over my difficulty of having to revert to ounces, furlongs and
leagues!

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Today's Topics:

1. [USMA 764] Let's call it the Decimal System (Parker Willey Jr.)
2. [USMA 765] 1 implication of 1848 treaty: all public entities
cannot shove foot/pound and must use international date standard
(year/month/day or day/month/year) especially when customer wants
it (gct)
3. [USMA 766] Still Valerie (John Dunlop)

From: "Parker Willey Jr." < <mailto:pawil...@pacbell.net> pawil...@pacbell.net>

Subject: [USMA 764] Let's call it the Decimal System

Date: April 6, 2018 at 5:15:25 PM EDT

To: "U.S. Metric Association" < <mailto:usma@lists.colostate.edu>
usma@lists.colostate.edu>

Reply-To: "Parker Willey Jr." < <mailto:pawil...@pacbell.net>
pawil...@pacbell.net>

Hi:

I was thinking the other day that some people think the word "metric" is
foreign.  That could be one of the monkey wrenches that keeps our country
mostly using legacy measures.

So, since we use a decimal system of coinage, I propose that we call the metric
system of weights and measures simpl;y the "Decimal" system of weights and
measures.  That is what it is!

In the United States, We can retain all the labels like liter, kilometer,
meter, millimeter, hectare. etc.

Now, think:  The "Decimal" system of weights and measures.

Does that sound OK?

...Parker Willey Jr.

From: gct < <mailto:nodextr...@gmail.com> nodextr...@gmail.com>

Subject: [USMA 765] 1 implication of 1848 treaty: all public entities cannot
shove foot/pound and must use international date standard (year/month/day or
day/month/year) especially when customer wants it

Date: April 7, 2018 at 2:38:35 AM EDT

To:  <mailto:usma@lists.colostate.edu> usma@lists.colostate.edu

In the case of California and the other states acquired from Mexico after 1848,
the US promised to respect the culture of the people who were already living
there. The people did not use foot/pound, they used other units than foot/pound
and the international date standard (year/month/day or day/month/year).
I don't know what units of temperature they used, I think they used celsius,
they did not use fahrenheit.
I think requiring public entities to use metric international date standard
(year/month/day or day/month/year), especially when customer wants it, is an
acceptable compromise.
For ex, it should be illegal for dmv to only issue ids in non-metric.

I wonder what tribal lands, which are native american sovereign think about
this.
we need a simple law:
in any transaction, if 1 party asks it to be conducted in metric, the
transaction should be conducted in metric. The offended party should get the
right to sue the offender, who refuses to conduct the transaction in metric for
> \$10000/transaction indexed to inflation.
All high schools should teach the metric system at least 2 years before
exposing children to the lunatic foot/pound system.
All laws should be expressed in the metric system.
All communications that receive public funding should be expressed in the
metric system.

we need a system of measurement that recognizes that units of mass, length and
energy are related:
the unit of energy would be defined as the kinetic energy of 2 units of mass
moving at a speed of 1 unit of length/sec (at non-relativistic speeds)
A short introduction to the metric system is available on
(http://www.balancedcities.org search for metric system)
Einstein's famous equation, E = m x c^2 works only in metric: m is in Kg, c = 3
x 10^8 m/s , E = energy in joules, 1 wh = 3600 (watt-sec or joules).
Thus in the metric system, 1 Kg of matter that gets completely converted into
energy, would generate 9 x 10^16 Joules or (9 x 10^16/3600000) = 25 x 10^9 KWH
To apply Einstein's famous equation in non-metric units, the unit of energy
would be defined as the kinetic energy of 2 units of mass moving at a speed of
1 unit of length/sec and the speed of light in vacuum expressed in units of
length/sec.
Since we already have 1 Volt x 1 Amp x 1 sec = 1 Joule of electrical energy,
for non-metric units, you would have to define another obscure unit of energy.

If metric customers and those who prefer the international date standard
(year/month/day or day/month/year) are not accommodated in these states, the US
would be violating the treaty.
Also metric citizens are also taxpayers that support public employees. When
they request that a transaction should in metric units and in the international
date standard (year/month/day or day/month/year), they must be accommodated.
Otherwise, the statement on NIST web site affirming the national policy to
establish the SI (International System of Units, commonly known as the metric
system) as the preferred system of weights and measures for U.S. trade and
commerce(http://www.nist.gov/pml/wmd/metric/metric-program.cfm) is a joke!!
Sec. 204. Metric system authorized:
It shall be lawful throughout the United States of America to employ the
weights and measures of the metric system; and no contract or dealing, or
pleading in any court, shall be deemed invalid or liable to objection because
the weights or measures expressed or referred to therein are weights or
measures of the metric system
The use of the metric system made legal in the United States by the Metric Act
of 1866 (Public Law 39-183). This law made it unlawful to refuse to trade or
deal in metric quantities.
(http://www.us-metric.org/metric-act-of-1866 ,
http://www.us-metric.org/metric-conversion-act-of-1975)

1 more reason to dump the stupid moronic idiotic foot/pound system and switch
to metric:
NASA lost a 125 million Mars orbiter because 1 engineering team used metric
units while another used English units for a key spacecraft operation
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric.02
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter
http://www.us-metric.org/unit-mixups
http://www.us-metric.org/metrication-in-other-countries

i don't like the date format with day in middle. In mathematics, i write
numbers most significant -> least significant
i like option of international date standard (year/month/day or day/month/year)
date format all numbers with day in middle is never used in canada, australia
or uk !!
check iso date standard
ISO 8601 was prepared by, and is under the direct responsibility of, ISO
Technical Committee TC 154. ISO 2014, though superseded, is the standard that
originally introduced the all-numeric date notation in
most-to-least-significant order [YYYY]-[MM]-[DD].
http://www.iso.org/iso-8601-date-and-time-format.html
http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/iso-date

international date standard (year/month/day or day/month/year) is used in email

in the bash shell:
date '+DATE:%Y %b %d %a  TIME:%H:%M:%S'  or date "+%Y %m %d  %H:%M:%S" gives
date/time in international date standard

if you put in .emacs:
(setq display-time-day-and-date t
display-time-24hr-format t
display-time-format "%Y %B %d (%A) %R")
(display-time)
emacs will display date/time in international date standard format

From: John Dunlop < <mailto:jrdun...@igc.org> jrdun...@igc.org>

Subject: [USMA 766] Still Valerie

Date: April 7, 2018 at 10:43:28 AM EDT

To: "Hillger,Donald" < <mailto:don.hill...@colostate.edu>
c...@traditio.com>, USMA List Server < <mailto:usma@lists.colostate.edu>
usma@lists.colostate.edu>

Happy Birthday, Valerie Antoine!

My wife, Susan, and I were recently able to have dinner with Valerie and her
husband, Al, near their home in Northridge, CA, to celebrate her birthday.  She
turns 103 today.  Valerie and Lorelle Young did a double-team to lead the U.S.
Metric Association as Louis Sokol gradually stepped away from his roles as
beginning in 1986.  Lorelle became President and Valerie became the Executive
Director of the association and Lou continued as editor.  Valerie became full
editor of the newsletter in 1992.  Lou contributed editorial content until he
passed away in October of 1996.  I have been familiar with all three of the
leaders mentioned, as I have been a member of USMA since 1972 and served on the
Board of Directors.  Don Hillger became President editor of the newsletter  --
and holder of the archived USMA records -- in 2010, so Valerie was executive
director for over 18 years.

Valerie and Al shared some fascinating details about their early lives and
their 66 years of marriage.  Little known is that Valerie joined her father as
the pianist at age 12 as they played for large ballroom dances held during the
depression back in Illinois -- they were the primary wage-earners for their
family during that time.  Al survived harrowing experiences as a very young
paratrooper landing on Normandy Beach and other targets during World War II.

The U.S. Metric Association has been a champion of the use the metric system
(or the "Decimal System" of weights and measures, as Parker Willey suggests)
for over a century.  Valerie was already one year old when our association
began.

John

John Dunlop
jrdun...@igc.org personal email
612-377-3270 daytime office
612-374-2181 home

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