On 09/14/2018 09:06 AM, Rob Kossler wrote:
Is it possible to run two LO cables out of channel 4 and into channel
5 such that channel 5 & 6 should be configured as "external" rather
than as "internal/companion"? I realize that there is no external RF
connector to support the cables passing from USRP 1 to USRP 2, so you
would have to figure out how you would want to do that.
Rob
Yes, that's possible but:
(A) Given my official role, I'm reluctant to suggest warranty-voiding
hardware mods
(B) There'll still need to be a static phase calibration after this, and
external cabling has less stable phase length properties than
internal, short, thermally-more-stable cable.
On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:48 PM Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users
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On 09/13/2018 10:12 PM, Jack Yang wrote:
Hi Marcus,
Thanks for the prompt reply. I have two questions. First, I
remember I can align phase across multiple USRPs when using
UBX-160 daughterboards (i.e 4 USRPs equipped with 8 UBX-160 for 8
phase-array receivers.). Just to double confirm that I cannot use
the UBX-160 time configuration approach to align phase for TwinRx
across two USRPs, right? Since TwinRxs use superheterodyne
structure, the time setting configuration for phase alignment
(which work for UBX-160) will not work for the TwinRx due to the
second stage down-conversion having it's own LO and this LO is
not able to access from the other USRP. Is my understanding correct?
That is correct, as far as I understand the architecture of the
TwinRX.
My second questions is that do you know any approach which can
have self calibration for each run? If I use two port RF splitter
to connect Rx4 in the first USRP and Rx5 in the second USRP for
the same antenna as input, ideally I can use the Rx4 & Rx5 phase
difference to compensate other three receivers in the second
USRP. Then, I can still set up a 7 receivers for coherent
receivers, right?
The usual approach is "measure and correct". This works well if
you have:
(A) A calibration source you can turn on that is visible to all
inputs and of equal phase delay
or
(B) You have some continuous, but distant, signal source that is
"seen" by all your receivers
or
(C) Other schemes that achieve the same thing
The key is that you have to measure the phase delays and compensate.
Really thanks for your time to answer my questions!
All Best,
Jack
On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 6:20 PM Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users
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wrote:
On 09/13/2018 08:52 PM, Jack Yang via USRP-users wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to set up a 8 channels coherent receiver where
I am using
> two X310 and each X310 is equipped with two TwinRx.
However, the phase
> alignment across two USRP are always failed. The two X310
are using
> the OctoClock-G to have 1M PPS and 10MHz clock. Then, I am
using a
> individual transmitter which can generate single tone with
RF splitter
> to connect to the 8 channels via RF coaxial cable. My
GNURadio
> configuration is shown as below the link (
>
https://www.dropbox.com/s/du15rakg1nacmql/DualX310_8Rec_v1.py?dl=0
).
> Alternatively, one can also see the below summary
configuration. I
> can have constant phase difference within the same USRP
when I power
> on and off for different trials, while the phase difference
across two
> USRP are always varying for each trial (i.e The phase
difference
> between Ch4 in first USRP and Ch5 in second USRP is not
constant among
> different runs). The below links refer to the results for two
> different trials. In first trials, all the phase difference
is shifted
> based on itself mean value (First run,
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/z8so39bejzdofi8/Run1.png?dl=0 ).
Then, using
> the first-run average phase difference to compensate the phase
> difference in the second run (Second run,
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xhkmp6cuxzwylvx/Run2.png?dl=0 ).
As the
> result shown in the second run, the phase difference across
Rx5 and
> Rx3 has been shifted to -214 degrees while all the other phase
> difference within itself USRP are still the same as the
previous
> measurement. Could someone let me know how I can configure
two USRP
> X310 with TwinRx for the coherent receivers?
>
> Many thanks for the help!
>
> All Best,
> Jack
>
So in the first USRP, your TwinRx is configured to share the
LO from the
first channel to the other 3 channels. The only phase-offset
compensation
you'll need to do is fixed, and is dominated just by the
length of
the cables within the enclosure that are used to share LOs.
However, in the second USRP, THAT LO is independent from the
one on the
first X310, even though it uses a common phase reference
(the 10MHz shared between the two). What this means is
that the two
USRPs won't drift relative to one another, but there will be
some unknown phase offset between them, due to the way
that RF
synthesizers work--you have two synthesizers (one in the
first USRP
on one of the TwinRX cards), and the other in the second.
They won't
agree on startup phase, except "by accident". You'll have to
resolve
this using a calibration procedure. There's really no way
around
that with this type of architecture.
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