RE: [USSR-Cars] Lada 2111..Lada owners club

[Short, John]

 Yes, I've heard of the Minors and Marinas..  Apparently it's rather spectacular when it happens.. :-)   Correct - the Trab has these F***** bakerlite bushes and steel pins.  An excellent design, but you need to have the bushes reamed in situ to fit the pins. You can't hone them, like my mate with a Singer Chamois suggested, not thinking that they weren't brass like his - I just wore out his honing stones (and my patience)!!  A good design  I think, but when they DO wear (which you can't do by HONING them, but simply turning them with the steering whell DOES somehow magically achieve it!!) it's a bit or a proc and cost to replace.  They have grease nipples on each of the four, to be lubricated with the front end JACKED UP - which is also in the manual, although there are many Germans who still don't seem to KNOW about any of this........!!! ;-)   The only way to have Trab ones dismantle themselves while driving, is to under-shim the pins such that the (lower esp) nut is clamping on the bush not the pin.  Folks, DON'T DO THIS!!!  Trust me...  It may seem like a good MOT bodge at teh time if you have play and can't get the new ones reamed in time, but - just plain NO!!! :-D     From: USSR-Cars@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frost Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:10 PM To: USSR-Cars@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [USSR-Cars] Lada 2111..Lada owners club The trunnions on a Marina were actually threaded joints with what would otherwise be thought of as the king pin having a male thread, and the trunnion a female thread. so as you turned the steering the whole lot was going up or down the thread a little. The Marina was derived from the good old Morris Minor which used similar front suspension. Also, the Triumph Herald, Vittesse, Spitfire, GT6 used a similar trunnion arrangement, BUT one needed to be lubricated with grease, and the other with oil. Minors, Marinas (+ Itals) and Triumphs used to be often seen at the side of the road with a collapsed front wheel after a trunnion had parted company with the main kingpin/hub assembly. Some collapses were caused by no lubricant, and others by the use of the wrong lubricant !   If I remember rightly a Trab has plain bushes and is nothing like the threaded trunnions on a Marina.  ----- Original Message ----- From: Short, John To: USSR-Cars@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:12 AM Subject: RE: [USSR-Cars] Lada 2111..Lada owners club So, if I can confirm - a KP goes through bushes top and bottom of hub, a trunion is an *independent* top or bottom swivel (like on the Trabant) - correct?  Just curious to get that one right.  I've heard "sort of semi kingpins" and all sorts, trunion sounds more correct.. ?   Thanks! John     From: USSR-Cars@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PAUL SHERWOOD Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:45 AM To: USSR-Cars@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [USSR-Cars] Lada 2111..Lada owners club The marina never had kingpins, did you mean Bottom trunnions? they were a bugger for wearing especially if they weren't greased once a month. Top balljoints suffered from rattling if they weren't greased regularly.   Paul.S Charlie Wakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Funnily enough, I have a bit of a soft spot for the marina. My dad had one, and apart from having to regard the kingpins as a more or less service item, it was reliable and comfortable. The difference was, neither it nor the P6 were built by people who went on strike every time their bosses asked them not to leave old sandwich wrappers in the sills. I also have a lot of time for the A and B series engines which were excellent units. But Maestros, Metros, Allegros, 800s and other BL crocks, no thanks. Charlie x On 15 May 2006, at 20:58, PAUL SHERWOOD wrote: > That's it, let's all slag off BL products!, Many people dismiss the > Marina and I found all of mine (i've had eight over the years) to be > far more reliable than anything else i've owned, handling was a bit > wobbly on bends, but an 1800TC on a straight road is huge fun, major > parts were and still are readily available (Unlike my Moskvich) and > they were a piece of cake to fix when something did go wrong (again, > unlike my Moskvich!). Glad to say my current classic is a BL product, > Rover P6B 3.5 litre, I suppose you'll have something derogatrory to > say about that now! I thought we were all car enthusiasts on this > group, not critics. >   > Paul.S >   > > Charlie Wakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >>   >> Oh, and I drive a mate's All-Aggro around too. That's rubbish as >> well, and it doesn't even have the quartic steering wheel to provide >> interest and inconvenience. Give me a good, solid Samara or Riva or >> Polonez or 65A any day of the week. >>   >> Talking of which, are there any Sanas left? I seem to remeber that >> there used to be loads, but I haven't seen one for yonks. >>   >> Charlie >> x >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: mark croasdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: USSR-Cars@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, 15 May, 2006 8:58:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [USSR-Cars] Lada 2111..Lada owners club >> >> >> >... I admit I drive my Montego > > >> > >> >> montego, thats a good future classic, in the past ive >> had a couple of maestros, both had  the perkins 2 >> litre diesel engine, very nippy cars with a lovely >> sounding engine.   mc >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! 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