On 03/25/2014 04:47 PM, Trevor Perrin wrote:
Please be cautious about suggesting user indications. UI is complicated and
>all that. More specifically in the browser case, even if you could strongly
>authenticate a connection over which you request ahttp://  page, I wouldn't
>want to give that page the https lock treatment. Note thathttps://  has
>different semantics (referer semantics, mixed content, etc).
Good points, thanks.  Maybe adding other auth methods to HTTP-over-TLS
would be best done silently, with no UI unless a security failure
occurs?
Please be cautious about suggesting user indications. UI is complicated and all that.

Let me put that another way: Off-the-cuff suggestions for what the HTTP-over-TLS UI should look like, in the absence of (a) analysis and (b) significant input from HTTP experts, will almost certainly be wrong.

For that matter, HTTP is a protocol, not an application or user interface. A web browser is just one of many kinds of applications that use HTTP, and many of those applications aren't even interactive. For this reason also, generalizations about what the HTTP-over-TLS UI should look like will also almost certainly be wrong. Different applications using HTTP-over-TLS will need different ways of handling success or failure to negotiate AE.

For the specific case of web browsers: I seriously doubt that adding other auth methods to web browsers using HTTP-over-TLS should be done silently, as then there would be no incentive for sites to provide the additional authentication information.

Keith

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