On 29 Sep 2017, at 11:34, Stephan Bosch wrote:
Hi,

Op 9/29/2017 om 5:54 PM schreef The IESG:
The IESG has received a request from the Using TLS in Applications WG (uta) to consider the following document: - 'Cleartext Considered Obsolete: Use of
TLS for Email Submission and
   Access'
  <draft-ietf-uta-email-deep-09.txt> as Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final
comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
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Abstract


   This specification outlines current recommendations for use of
   Transport Layer Security (TLS) to provide confidentiality of email
traffic between a mail user agent (MUA) and a mail submission or mail
   access server.


I haven't followed the discussions and I hadn't seen this document until
I saw this last call. But after reading it, I have one question: what
about ManageSieve (RFC5804)? Arguably, it is not a mail submission nor a
mail access protocol, but it would be a service (often) operated along
with those functions. Most notably, ManageSieve currently only supports
STARTTLS and not the implicit TLS prescribed in this document; no
well-known port is assigned for that purpose. Therefore, systems
supporting ManageSieve along with the protocols mentioned would have a
weakness (which could perhaps be used to access the other services as
well). It is unlikely that a ManageSieve client would support implicit
TLS without some IETF specification.

Is that going to be addressed in a separate document?

We choose not to specifically mention less widely used protocols in this space such as manage sieve (RFC 5804) and MTQP (RFC 3887) to keep the document concise. But section 4 & 5 have catch-all language which covers these protocols.

                - Chris


Regards,

Stephan.



The file can be obtained via
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Duta-2Demail-2Ddeep_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=QBZgPENFbjFadxqU4HJ3ZDpRz3X1JlDY-keqMt52FFo&m=tLH8lmlu0cQavkNgSBfaMxleT-TVp1GxhPyb2Mtq7wc&s=jHtWApWkrUxoPy6YHnpRCEhQgbAd-QHULEzPCRuzMTo&e=

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