On Tuesday, Aug 26, 2003, at 14:02 US/Mountain, Hyrum Wright wrote:
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:35, Wade Preston Shearer wrote:phrasing isn't important to me...
it's the treating us like five year olds that i am sick of.
granted, i have never attended a university other than BYU, so i don't have anything to compare against...
and, i am not arguing policies (although i am against many)...
my point is the way they implement/enforce/broadcast their policies. sure, a third of the campus are eighteen year old boys that still need baby-sitting, but the rest of us are working professionals that would like a nice, professional environment to get an education in.
<asbestos_underwear>
I've been following this thread, and I'm interested in why this is such
an issue. I mean, we all applied to go to this University, nobody
forced us, we chose. So I guess having policies that we don't like
means that we don't have a choice anymore. I mean, nobody _ever_
transfers away from BYU, for any reason, and if we have a enough of a
problem with whatever policy, each of us are free to do the same. If it
isn't important enough to leave for, then we should learn to live with
rules we don't like, because that's just the way life is. Maybe _thats_
part of getting an education.
there is no way that i am EVERY 'going to learn to live' with something. if there is something that is not run very well... then i am going to raise my voice and petition to get it changed.
</asbestos_underwear>
All that said, it would be nice if the University showed a little bit of
trust in its students every once in a while.
Flame away...
Hyrum
On Tuesday, Aug 26, 2003, at 10:10 US/Mountain, Hans Fugal wrote:
To be fair, I was paraphrasing (too lazy to look at the other message),
and the true wording was "As a student of Brigham Young University this
kind of behavior is not acceptable. If it continues it may result in
speaking with people in the honor code office."
That reads a tad less threatening than my paraphrase. (At least to me it conveys that he's not personally threatening, just warning me. He's probably not the only person involved in these things)
* Wade Preston Shearer [Tue, 26 Aug 2003 at 09:57 -0600] <quote></quote>although i think that it is dumb... it is their network, so if they want to restrict that... they can... but...
their response of...
"as a BYU student this behavior is unacceptable and if it continues will be reported to the honor code office"
...is a stupid!
why is everything so extreme? what in the flying fig newton does port
scanning your own server have to do with the honor code office?
why can't they simply inform you that BYU has a policy against port scanning from on campus?
On Tuesday, Aug 26, 2003, at 09:39 US/Mountain, Hans Fugal wrote:
Naturally you shouldn't be portscanning other people's computers
anywhere, but don't even try portscanning your own off-campus server
from on campus because BYU appears to be monitoring their logs for
things. That's reassuring. The fact that they were two weeks late in
contacting me about the portscan I did weakens that feeling of
reassurance, though...
When I notified them that I was just scanning my own server to verify
the firewall they politely said 'as a BYU student this behavior is
unacceptable and if it continues will be reported to the honor code
office'. I suggest you just stay off the radar and avoid portscanning
from on campus period.
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