before i get flamed, i don't have citations for any of this, and i'm running on 3 hours of sleep last night, and not a high likelihood of many tonight, so i don't really feel like looking them up...
i remember hearing someplace (Gospel hearsay) that children cannot be tempted before the age of accountability. However, I had a Sunday School teacher who worked at a juvenile detention facility, and he knew kids who had committed murder and/or rape before turning 8... which leads me to think that, if they're not being tempted.... then... umm... wow... train of thought just derailed... anyway, when i started, this really was going somewhere... maybe someone else can pick up and figure out what i was thinking... ~Erin --- Andrew Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 15:57, Daniel Crookston wrote: > > ... > > This hinges on the assumption that humans are basically good (which I think > > is a conversation we had on this list a few months ago,) and would not sin > > if we weren't tempted by Satan. > > I think this is a very bad assumption. There are probably people (Adam) > who really would keep all of God's commandments unless they were > properly manipulated into it, but on the whole humans are basically > undecided, but mostly leaning toward good. This may be the result of our > upbringing in a world full of temptation and sin, but I don't believe > all temptation and sin comes from below. Kind of like the warning that > we should be careful when casting out devils lest we cast the spirit out > of the man we think we're exorcising. Some people, a lot of people, all > people to some degree, are familiar enough with choice that we will > choose to sin without any external help. > > I think Lucifer probably made up his own mind. Why should he need help? > If I were hungry and saw some bread that wasn't mine, would I need > someone to tell me to take it for me to want to all on my own? > Eventually we all have to learn to act, rather than be acted upon. This > is part of evil as much as it is part of good. > > Granted, of course, Satan and his followers do an awful lot of work > here, but I'd rather believe that man is capable of tempting himself > than believe that Satan is capable of entering a Temple. We blame far > too much on him, we ought to accept responsibility when it's our own. > > > ____________________ > BYU Unix Users Group > http://uug.byu.edu/ > ___________________________________________________________________ > List Info: http://uug.byu.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uug-list ===== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.userfriendly.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ____________________ BYU Unix Users Group http://uug.byu.edu/ ___________________________________________________________________ List Info: http://uug.byu.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uug-list
