>In other cases, if the
>information gained from the treatment (or from other research) had been
>published, other doctors could have improved upon it, and could have
>helped to improve, or even save the lives of their own patients.

fyi,
patents are publications that explain *exactly* how to something works, and
they are supposed to be granted only if it someone "familiar with the art"
can reproduce it after reading the patent.

also, anyone can make an improvement on a patent and then re-patent that
improvement as a seperate patent.

your father was right in that while you may learn and understand the new
procedure, you cannot *practice* it for 17 years.  but you *can* make an
improvement on it, and then re-patent that, or "open source" it, or do
whatever you'd like.

disclaimer: IANAL

Josh Coates
http://www.jcoates.org

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> find the solutions they need.  If there were no patents, would all the
biotech
> firms close up shop, so that no new medicines would be developed?  Put
> yourself in their shoes: millions of people die of cancer.  Their health
care
> costs run into the billions.  You have a bunch of medical researchers on
staff
> who love to treat diseases.  Everyone gets an F in Econ who can't find a
way
> for everybody to win financially.

I'm just going to jump in on this.
My dad is a doctor, but also happens to be somewhat interested in
computers and such.  One night, this past summer, he and I were talking,
and I was explaining to him what Open Source Software is.  I was
surprised when he replied to my explanation by giving an analogy that
made an amazing amount of sense to me.

He told me that there are certain doctors in the medical field who have
developed groundbreaking treatments for certain conditions, but who have
chosen to patent their ideas, and have decided not to publish how to
perform these procedures in the medical journals, because they want to
be the only ones who can perform them.  So, if a person has this
particular condition, if they want to have the best treatment, they have
to travel to wherever this doctor is located, and pay prohibitive fees
for the treatment.  In some cases, their own doctor knows exactly how to
perform the procedure, and would be willing to perform that procedure
for much less, if it weren't for the patent.  In other cases, if the
information gained from the treatment (or from other research) had been
published, other doctors could have improved upon it, and could have
helped to improve, or even save the lives of their own patients.

I have found that this analogy is extremely helpful in explaining some
of the reasoning behind Open Source Software.  I think it shows clearly
where the ethical issues are --- it doesn't require an understanding of
software, nor does it require even much understanding of medicine to see
where the ethical issues are.

Anyway, I just thought I'd throw this out there.  I don't think that my
dad realized that he helped me to better understand my own opinions on
this issue, or the reasons behind them, but he did...

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