On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 23:29 -0700, Andrew McNabb wrote: > However, your posts are inflammatory. You know that no one is out to > get you. You know perfectly well that everyone is doing their best, as > incompetent as that may be.
I do not agree that they were inflammatory. My ridiculing Chris Alvarez in another thread was inflammatory. Nothing I have said in this thread has been inflammatory. > You are being counter-productive. It has become obvious that list policy needs to be refined. Discussion of that policy is now taking place. Doesn't seem counter productive to me. Most likely, you simply feel like you have been attacked. I have not attacked you, merely your decision. You can review everything I've said so far and that should become clear. > If you continue to have doubts concerning the intentions or actions of > officers of the club, please contact me personally. Not a single one of > you who has been violently opposed has talked with me personally. You > have all prefered the more contentious approach. There are certain > things I'm not comfortable discussing on a large forum because of > respect to others. I know the presidency well enough to know that you meant no ill; you're not on a power trip or persuing a personal vendetta. None the less, you approached the problem in what I believe was almost exactly the wrong way. As for privacy, there can be no privacy on a public forum. If a person has done something inappropriate off list, that should be handled off list. Banning a person from a public forum for private offenses is just plain wrong. > I don't like contention. We don't need it. Let's do things. I think > we're all tired of flaming. Let's be productive. Participating in a public discussion of how to resolve the problem is the first productive step; thank you for joining the discussion. Let's make clear, however, that simply restating "I stand behind our decision for reasons I want to keep secret" is not productive. If the reason is something done on the list, it's hardly secret. If it is something done off list, it should have no bearing on list membership. We can't clearly establish list policy if part of that policy is secret. That is why I have pushed for a clear, published policy that involves as little personal whim as possible. I will think about how best to word that policy and reply when I have finished. -- Stuart Jansen e-mail/jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it." - Chris Maden
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