Okay, so we've got a chunk of 1/16" aluminum, 7/16"
for foam, and 1/4" plywood on top - (possibly
fiberglass instead) --  pipes running down the aisle
essentially (which will affect the weight) - that
gives us (I'm just throwing out numbers) an 1/8" for
tubes, nested on top I'm guessing so that they are
closer to the floor - we've got aluminum anchors
eliminating floor shift.  Now what can we do to heat
the tubes without adding an additional water-type
heater?  We don't want to do that because of the
weight/cost issues.  

I'm wondering if an electrical grid ala "rear window
defrost" might be a better way to go?

lighter, more compact, would it be cheaper?  I don't
know how they work, anyone?

Toby 2029

--- "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer"
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> Besides keeping the shear sheets separated the foam
> or balsa wood or
> honeycomb has to keep the shear sheets from sliding
> relative to the core
> and each other to develop bending stiffness to span
> the space between
> "floor joists".
> 
> Might be something like a Formica layer on top
> contact cemented (there
> is a water based contact cement) to a layer of foam
> that had water pipe
> channels and radiant heat water pipes embedded
> (standard contact cement
> eats foam for lunch) and a 1/4" plywood or 1/16"
> aluminum bottom layer.
> Pergo and others keep telling us (on the home shows)
> how great such a
> pressure laminate is for flooring, why not make it
> structural? The water
> pipe channels would probably want to run
> perpendicular to the floor
> joists or spars so to maintain the bending strength
> of the sandwich. And
> in a trailer would want to only be where the floor
> wasn't covered by
> sofa or cabinet. Menards sells a fiberglass panel in
> 4x8' chunks as a
> wall panel for dairy barns and the like. That might
> make both skins very
> well and be a better insulator than aluminum.
> 
> If the upper surface is the finish floor, then
> there's a little more
> room for insulation in the panel. The added
> thickness adds rigidity
> also.
> 
> There is a structural adhesive (blue) for foam
> insulation. I tried a
> sample of it sticking wood to foam (thinking about
> making my own foam
> insulated doors for that house I'm hoping to build
> last decade) but I
> found it wasn't very strong and the foam easily
> separated from the wood.
> I've use contact cement (water based) to stick foam
> blocks together for
> landscape modeling and it worked very well there. I
> don't have any at
> the moment to test, but I do have a way to test for
> bending strength
> when the temperature is well above zero (with -40
> windchill). And could
> compare such a composite to wood or plywood.
> 
> Gerald J.
> 
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