no apology needed - i did not read that much into it. i like that this forum is a place where people can speak their minds about Airstream related issues - all opinions accepted of course. i guess i was just standing up for our project. i like your keen observations. as far as the masses thing - i am referring to factory production as compared to one-offs. one-offs with huge price tags defete "production" ideas. that was what my dumb comment was referring to - maybe we should forget production ideas and do several high priced versions for a chosen few. ????? naaaaah - i still want to pursue production. i would much rather see 10, 50, or 500 trailers offered to people at a resonable production price - as opposed to 4 with through the roof prices. i view the Airstream as a unique design object made in a factory for the masses - in some shape or form. take care, i.d. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: [VAC] Genuine Ralph Lauren designed Airstreams MEA CULPA > Inside Design, > I do take responsibility for my words. In my view, the Wilsonart > trailer was clean and avoided the sad fate of "cute-ing up" and "dumbing > down" of most contemporary design, but I found it way heavy on the > laminates and not enough contrast of textures and materials. It was a > breath of fresh air and helped turn the tide of trailer design toward > younger and more sophisticated buyers. It is unfortunate that I've never > yet had the chance to get inside and see the flow for myself. It; > however, seems colder than the utility/surplus model I'm talking about. > Design is put out there and made to be compared. You aren't dumb, and I > make the point of the funds lavished on these follies. As for > "elitist", they are showcase examples like the Wilsonart trailer and I'm > willing to bet I could produce something as nice with a reasonable > budget. They are charity write offs and much of the cost is in > appointments and accessories that no other trailer comes with. I > certainly was an oaf to slam your trailer design and could have made my > point without comparing with "way cooler". That's why I'm apologizing > on net instead of off. The Airstream was never really meant for the > masses. It is something of an elitist object, in itself. The prices at > the time were pretty high. They had great fabrics and appliances and > were made way better than the mass market trailers of the time. That's > why the recent Safari and Bambi models have gotten knocked by list > members, they had cheap looking laminates and trim. And, Inside Design, > I repeat..... > "for the same amount of money, you can make an ugly trailer or a > beautiful one" You did a fine job, I thing the "utility/surplus" (what > does THAT mean, anyway?) trailer takes interiors a step further in the > direction I'd like to see them go. Note my slam of the other three > where nothing exceeds like excess! And I'm only a set designer anyhow. > When I do remodel an empty sixties model or an empty (I wish) 2002 > bambi, I welcome your criticism. > Tom Walden > > inside design wrote: > > > > "way cooler than the Wilsonart trailer" ouch !!! > > > > i think the key words in your observation are- > > "very free with the funds" > > > > these are the kind of "elitist" design solutions that > > we try to avoid. yes - you might like the designs. > > but - are you going to pay 150,000 for one of these > > trailers ?? and at this point - it looks like only four > > people will have the chance to do so. the > > Wilsonart trailer is only one version of MANY > > new design ideas that have been generated over > > the past two years through Inside Design. these > > new ideas are meant to be for the masses. > > > > so - what does one do with new design ideas ? > > try to get them to the masses ? > > or create a "limited" number and sell them to a selected few ? > > > > we are still gonna fight to create a product that is available to > > the masses - maybe we are the dumb ones. > > > > take care, inside design > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:58 PM > > Subject: [VAC] Re: Genuine Ralph Lauren designed Airstreams > > > > > I'm not sure what problem this posting made for Joy, but I was pleased > > > as hell to get the pictures and the connection. Perhaps my computer or > > > browser was more able to handle the way the information was presented > > > and the listing of the underlined address would have been a better way > > > of sending the information. > > > I'm sure solution to the problem with the submission will be another > > > lesson for us all in how we present something to the list so it don't > > > scramble our friends programs. > > > > > > I hate it when something screws up my computer or corrupts my browser, > > > and I am in sympathy with Joy's predicament; but I am excited by the > > > "utility/surplus" airstream shown -- it is closer to what I've been > > > thinking Airstream should be making today than the "dumb down to the > > > lowest bland denominator of taste" designs they've been putting out > > > lately. This is what I've been preaching made manifest in stainless, > > > aluminum, wood and laminates. Should be able to replicate those designs > > > at normal airstream prices. Really want to step inside and check them > > > out for myself, in person. > > > > > > I'm not easily impressed, by other designer's work. These are way > > > cooler than the all formica version for Wilsonart. (I understand the use > > > of the sponsor's product understandably heavily informed that design, > > > and I'm not knocking it). Am pretty sure Ralph Lauren was also very free > > > with the funds for this project. > > > > > > Tom Walden > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe or to change to a daily Digest, please go to > http://www.airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > If replying back to this message, please delete all the unnecessary original > text from your reply. > > To unsubscribe or to change to a daily Digest, please go to http://www.airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html If replying back to this message, please delete all the unnecessary original text from your reply.
