VACList Digest Monday, February 17 2003 Volume 03 : Number 107
When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html Topics in Today's Digest: RE: [VACList] Fantastic Fans [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #105 Re: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #105 [VACList] bought a trailer without a title thru online auction Re: [VACList] Fantastic Fans Re: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #105 Re: [VACList] Replacing windows in a 1968 Re: [VACList] bought a trailer without a title thru online auction [VACList] bed slides 67 safari [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #106 Re: [VACList] Fantastic Fans [VACList] Inexpensive campgrounds RE: [VACList] bought a trailer without a title thru online auction Re: [VACList] Fantastic Fans Re: [VACList] Fantastic Fans [VACList] Door Seals [VACList] Possessing Stolen Property Re: [VACList] Possessing Stolen Property Re: [VACList] bed slides 67 safari Re: [VACList] Fantastic Fans Re: [VACList] Door Seals Re: [VACList] bed slides 67 safari Re: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #105 [VACList] New shocks Re: [VACList] Possessing Stolen Property Re: [VACList] bed slides 67 safari Re: [VACList] Possessing Stolen Property Re: [VACList] New shocks Re: [VACList] bought a trailer without a title thru online auction Re: [VACList] bought a trailer without a title thru online auction Re: [VACList] Possessing Stolen Property ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 07:39:23 -0500 From: "Edward Emerick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [VACList] Fantastic Fans Hello, I too like Kevin have Fantastic Vents in my 68 Sovereign and they work great. No leaks no problems. I also had them installed at the International Rally, I have a hard time beating the installation time, about 20 min., no fuss no muss. What is interesting to me is I was just sitting down at the computer to order one for my 59 that I plan to install myself and your post made me remember to ask for the shim that Camping World spoke of, Thanks! One other comment about Camping World repairs, if they can't change out the part they don't like to do it. Period! Don't ask for fabrication and understand that when you tell them its an Airstream they will for the most part back away from your business. I have a number of horror stories I can share about them off line if you like. Like Kevin said stick with an Airstream dealer or do it yourself, this is one of those jobs that isn't so bad if you are able to get to the top of the coach. I would recommend that you purchase the fan from Camping World or the MFG direct, it WILL be cheaper than through an Airstream dealer and bring it to them for installation. The wires should be 12 volt and should wire nut right to the new fan, my 68 had the same thing going on in the opening. Also replacing or adding an original fan to that location is a waste of time, they don't move much air and they are very noisy. But if you have your heart set on one let me know I think I have my old one in my attic someplace! Good Luck Ed WBCCI/VAC 4425 68 Sovereign (with 2 new vents) 59 Traveler (waiting for it to come in!) - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Carolyn & Gerry White Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [VACList] Fantastic Fans Hi- On our return trip from the Hobo Rally in Blythe, we stopped at a Camping World to purchase a Prodigy brake controller (which we found superior to our old controller). While at CW, we inquired about installing a Fantastic Vent fan in our 74-31' Sovereign. The service rep did his best to discourage us from buying one & having it installed. He said that even though they had the shim for the rounded Airstream roof, they didn't like to install this vent fan as it was prone to leakage. Apparently, they have had numerous warranty issues with previous installations of this product on Airstreams. Has anyone had any experience with the Fantastic vent fans on vintage units? This fan is a standard on the new classic A/S. We noticed that there is an extra set of 12V wires in the front vent, which leads us to believe that there was a fan originally installed in this location, although a mounting bracket, if there ever was one, is long gone. Is there a replacement fan that could be "restored" inside the vent?? (This option would probably be more economical & less prone to leakage as we would have to rip off the existing vent) So far, our dry camping trips & experiences at rallies with "shore power" restrictions have severely limited our usage of the 120V air conditioner, so we are exploring ways to efficiently exhaust the hot air out of the roof vents. thanks Gerry & Carolyn 1974-31' Sovereign - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:37:53 +0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #105 Hello. I've gotten advice from all of you about sun roofs, air conditioners and polishing, but now I need some really serious help! I bought a 64 Tradewind off ebay from someone I thought was a wonderful guy--it was delivered to me 1000 miles away before he even received my total payment... Well, three months later, I have yet to receive a title or bill of sale. I have run through all e-bay options as far as getting help. I know who and where this seller is, and know what I can do criminally, but don't want to do that yet. Anyone have any advice or know how to get a lost title? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:21:47 -0700 From: "Forrest McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #105 You may want to contact the police just to see if it has been stolen. Is there a vehicle identification number (VIN) on the Airstream plaque? If it has been removed (plaque and all) it is likely the trailer is stolen, but there may not be any way of proving it, and getting a new title will be difficult. Have you found any paperwork inside that would give you information on the former owner, or on the VIN? Is there a WBCCI number (large red numbers) on the outside, front or rear? The WBCCI may be able to assist you in identifying the past owner. Even if the red numbers are gone you might be able to make out the numbers from the "ghost" image left behind. If you have a VIN contact your DMV (Dept of Motor Vehicles) for exact information on obtaining a new title. Good luck! Forrest ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:29:07 -0600 From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] bought a trailer without a title thru online auction On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:37:53 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Hello. I've gotten advice from all of you about sun roofs, air conditioners >and polishing, but now I need some really serious help! I bought a 64 >Tradewind off ebay from someone I thought was a wonderful guy--it was delivered >to me 1000 miles away before he even received my total payment... Well, three >months later, I have yet to receive a title or bill of sale. I have run >through all e-bay options as far as getting help. I know who and where this >seller is, and know what I can do criminally, but don't want to do that yet. >Anyone have any advice or know how to get a lost title? Thanks. lost titles are easy but that does not get you one that protects YOU from charges of theft, etc. suggest that you pursue your options thru the Sheriff of the county in which the seller lives. btw, by now, your seller should be quite po'd because he should now be banned from ebay. so, you are not going to get anything voluntarily out of this guy. hope you kept a copy of the auction and of the check you paid him with. And, it is entirely possible that you are now guilty of receiving stolen goods. etc. cheers chas ... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:24:56 -0500 From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Fantastic Fans Gerry, go to www.airstream.net click on classified ads and then on parts. Buy your Fantastic fan from the vendor who had the right curved shroud parts to fit the contour of the Airstream. The flat type shroud do not fit as well (if at all) and may leak as the uninformed folks at Camping World indicated. Putting the wrong model (designed for a flat roof SOB) is inviting problems and leaks. Get the right parts to start with. Jim Greene ' 68 Tradewind (& Fantastic Fan) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn & Gerry White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:42 Subject: [VACList] Fantastic Fans > Hi- > On our return trip from the Hobo Rally in Blythe, we stopped at a Camping World to purchase a Prodigy brake controller (which we found superior to our old controller). While at CW, we inquired about installing a Fantastic Vent fan in our 74-31' Sovereign. The service rep did his best to discourage us from buying one & having it installed. He said that even though they had the shim for the rounded Airstream roof, they didn't like to install this vent fan as it was prone to leakage. Apparently, they have had numerous warranty issues with previous installations of this product on Airstreams. > Has anyone had any experience with the Fantastic vent fans on vintage units? This fan is a standard on the new classic A/S. > We noticed that there is an extra set of 12V wires in the front vent, which leads us to believe that there was a fan originally installed in this location, although a mounting bracket, if there ever was one, is long gone. Is there a replacement fan that could be "restored" inside the vent?? (This option would probably be more economical & less prone to leakage as we would have to rip off the existing vent) > So far, our dry camping trips & experiences at rallies with "shore power" restrictions have severely limited our usage of the 120V air conditioner, so we are exploring ways to efficiently exhaust the hot air out of the roof vents. > thanks > Gerry & Carolyn > 1974-31' Sovereign ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:22:59 -0500 From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #105 Where are you and the trailer located? Jim Greene ' 68 Tradewind - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:37 Subject: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #105 > Hello. I've gotten advice from all of you about sun roofs, air conditioners > and polishing, but now I need some really serious help! I bought a 64 > Tradewind off ebay from someone I thought was a wonderful guy--it was delivered > to me 1000 miles away before he even received my total payment... Well, three > months later, I have yet to receive a title or bill of sale. I have run > through all e-bay options as far as getting help. I know who and where this > seller is, and know what I can do criminally, but don't want to do that yet. > Anyone have any advice or know how to get a lost title? Thanks. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:27:33 -0800 From: "Gary Quamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Replacing windows in a 1968 > Gary, your ' 67 Safari must be different from my ' 68 Tradewind. Hi Jim: Yes, the '67 windows are indeed different than the '68s. One of the differences is that the aluminum extrusion at the top of the pane is bonded onto the glass in '67. In '68 the glass is clamped between 2 extrusions. Another is that in '68 there are only 2 "grabber" mechanisms on the wider windows including the ones fore and aft. In '67 there were 3. When you crank in a window with 3 grabbers you can't crank all three at once. This is when you see how flexible the glass really is. It bends quite a bit as you go from grabber to grabber. When they went to less grabbers in '68, it looks like they added the trim pieces to compensate for the missing grabber and to generally stiffen the pane. > My Tradewind has the metal trim on the curved Corning glass windows and the > windows definitely are not flexible -- that's the problem. They break pretty > easily Try to look at it this way, if they were less flexible they wouldn't flap in the breeze so easily and ultimately break off at the fixed hinge point at the top. Replacement windows other than those salvaged are made of > plastic materials -- which work but aren't "original." How true. But once you have Lexan installed you don't ever have to worry about breaking THAT window again. Later, GQ '67 Safari ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:07:37 -0500 From: "T Meeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] bought a trailer without a title thru online auction From: "schuetzen - RKBA!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And, it is entirely possible that you are now guilty of receiving stolen goods.etc. > cheers > chas Chas, Always the ray of sunshine and hope you are <sigh> .................. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:24:28 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [VACList] bed slides 67 safari I am a large person do the wooden bed slides hold up ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:28:09 -0500 From: "bill rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #106 Thanks for the responses, Tom. About replacing the toilet: The one I pulled out wasn't the original (it was a nasty old plastic Thetford -- mechanism corroded beyond repair), and I'd be OK with another plastic one. Any suggestions on where to get a good deal on a new toilet, or even a rebuilt? And, how much more are the repro-originals? Cheers, Bill - -------------- >VACList Digest Sunday, February 16 2003 Volume 03 : Number 106 >Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:49:20 -0500 >From: "T Meeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [VACList] 1962 Trade Wind > >Hi Bill, > >Here's my answers. >_________________________________________________________ > >From: "bill rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >1962 Trade Wind > > >> So, I could use some advice: >> 1) What is best, cheapest way to get a replacement toilet? > >Are you looking for the *authentic* reproduction year model or will a newer >one do? > >> 2) Any advice on getting a better seal on the brass waste gate? (it drips) > >You may need to replace the seals at least or get a new gate valve at worst. > >> 3) Is flexible plastic piping suitable for re-plumbing the trailer, or do >I need to use copper? > >You can use PEX tubing that is certified for both hot and cold water lines. >There will be a crimping tool of at least one or maybe two sizes you will >have to buy if you can't rent one, or two. > >> 4) Why did Airstream discontinue the galvanized steel water tank that mine >has? (corrosion?) > >Back when those tanks were used they were probably the best thing going at >that time. Nowadays you can have polypropelene (sp?). One of the better >features of the plastic tanks are that you can weld them or you can have >that done for you which is what I'd advise you to do; make you a custom >tank. > >> 5) Did this model have a 12V battery system and, if so, where was the >battery stored? (There are leads in the box behind the propane tanks, but I >was told these were just for the breakaway brake system. I saw a 1966 model >that stored battery in the rear quarter panel, where 110V outside power cord >is stored.) >> Any and all responses are greatly appreciated. Thanks much, >> Bill Rogers > >Can't help you with the placement of the battery but maybe someone has a >schematic they'd copy to you. > >Tom > >End of VACList Digest V3 #106 >***************************** > > >When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text > >To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to >http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > _____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:00:30 -0500 From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Fantastic Fans on 02/16/03 3:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My Fantastic Vents replaced a pair of original powered ventilating fans > that were not as efficient nor as effective as the Fantastic Vents. Thanks for the perspective Kevin, This new-to-us Airstream has a Fantastic Fan (FF) in the front vent hole. At first, I thought it was no big deal, then yesterday's temperature in the 80s and my trial and error attempts to cool off the Airstream with the original powered ventilation fan in the rear vent hole told the story. The FF had the edge - a big one. And - I just noticed the rain sensor. How about that? I learned something else about this Airstream. Like you, I may spring for a FF in our '67 22' when we take it to Burlington this summer. My plan is to install it (or have it installed) in the center vent rather than the front or rear vent hole. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:00:30 -0500 From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Inexpensive campgrounds Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 04:10:42 -0000 From: "eracer80906 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" > How do you find all those inexpensive campgrounds? Are they relatively nice? > Crowded? Are they usually "first come first serve"? Any good web sites that > list them? > Hi Allan, The "how" part of your question is simple. We speed read every brochure, restaurant paper placemat, tourist booklet, camping magazine, festival advertisement, chamber of commerce literature in towns, villages, cities, counties and even regional areas. You name it and if it's in our hands a few minutes we'll know if there's a inexpensive campground mentioned. Although we don't look for freebies, we routinely find them in the process. They are especially prevalent in small towns across the state of Nebraska. More difficult to find are inexpensive and free campgrounds operated by power and light companies, lumber companies, propane companies, fraternal organizations, church groups and those few are only the tip of the iceberg. For us, it's a game - a game which both of us play with enthusiasm (but not every day). Similarly, we like playing Mexican Train dominos, but not every day. Having said that, we (me - mainly) are intensely selective about reading every single comment in the "Day's End" column of the Escapees magazine. That publication has a bonanza of data plus there are dozens of new places listed in our favorite column of each new issue. As in each family - yours, mine and others - we have our own particular quirks. One of mine is data collection and documentation - so it will be conveniently accessible while traveling. Twenty years ago, I used to compile this kind of data on my Apple computer (using AppleWorks) and then print out the old and new data every few months - by each individual state. (Yeah - I know - kind of kookie, huh?) Next, I'd locate each place on my master map and put a colored vinyl tab (pencil eraser size) on it. That made the towns convenient to locate while traveling. Like any other mini project, the first few states took a lot of time, but effort is cumulative and with each following year, it became easier and easier. Then, someone else (fellow SKP Bob Lee) started compiling this data and offering disks and print outs for sale. The sheer number of places listed had become forty pages long, so I opted to buy his printouts (available through Escapees RV Club). Plus, I had dozens of other projects going. The nice part of all these experiences is that the data is cumulative and once we've visited a site, we always remember it - for years and years. Others do the same thing which makes traveling with another couple so much fun. We rotate who decides where we'll stay the next time we move. This makes sharing the wealth of acquiring new knowledge more exciting, plus we enjoy a little mystery about where we're going to stay this time. It helps to have a little trust and be willing to play along with the game. You asked if the spots we stay at are relatively nice. Generally, the answer is "Yes," but we've had our share of "Let's go find the back-up" experiences. We usually have two back-ups in mind when trying a new place. Occasionally, one of those will be a place we've visited before and know it'll suit us. Sometimes, it's a truck stop (Flying J, etc) when we're running short on daylight and hauling the Interstate. Rarely, but it has occurred - are times when we'll go into a high priced ($15+) campground for a specific reason, i.e. to park our Airstream for 12 hours while we retrace the day's route and return to each rest stop in hopes of finding our cat who slipped out unnoticed. We found her. She asked us "meow - what took you so long? it's midnight already." The goal is to always the same - find a safe place to stay, enjoy the journey, sprinkle in a little adventure, mix it with a bit of uncertainty and have a good time - whether for a few days or a week. There are occasions when the adrenalin is pumping, the sun set an hour ago and we're still rolling, but those instances are the exception. We keep in mind that moving day is only a small portion of the journey. What we do at each stop is also important - and often essential, i.e. laundry. First come, first serve? Yes, that is the name of the game for us. We thrive on that concept, but it doesn't mean that's the only game. There are certain times of every year (peak season) in certain parts of the country (snowbird land) when reservations are downright prudent. We go to great lengths (8 months in advance to the day) to make those reservations at specific campgrounds we really, really want to visit during specific weeks. Other times (October 15 to December 15), reservations at high style RV resorts are bizarrely inexpensive ($99 a month). If we want the $99 a month campgounds (4 pt hookups) outside of those dates and outside of hard core snowbird land, they are always available in certain parts of the country, i.e. Deming, New Mexico and dozens of others. If we land in a campground with a seperate charge for electricity, we've been known to not plug in (and not have to pay for electricity), but instead - - use our own electricity that's replenished daily by our solar panels. As for websites, I haven't found any that provide this information. I'm sure someone will pipe up with that data. We'll add it to our list. If you'd like more on this topic, go to Tom Patterson's website and use his search engine to check the archives. I've written on this subject many times and Tom has been kind enough to include them in his archives. Are you still with me? If yes, you must have really wanted to learn a little more about this stuff. Keep in mind it's only mops and brooms stuff. There's more to life, living and loving than inexpensive campgrounds. Keep it all in perspective, Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:54:32 -0600 From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [VACList] bought a trailer without a title thru online auction Tom, To be guilty of receiving stolen property you have to KNOWINGLY receive it. You're not in any bind other than being out the $$$ that you paid. Lefty Frizzell http://home.earthlink.net/~leftyfrizzell - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of T Meeker Sent: Sunday, 16 February 2003 15:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VACList] bought a trailer without a title thru online auction From: "schuetzen - RKBA!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And, it is entirely possible that you are now guilty of receiving > stolen goods.etc. > cheers > chas Chas, Always the ray of sunshine and hope you are <sigh> .................. Tom - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:35:21 -0800 From: "Tuna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Fantastic Fans you know the foam plastic gasket that comes with the FanTastic Vent? looks like packing material? A couple of suppliers have suggested that i NOT use it, and rather use vulkem or appropriate sealant directly between the vent and the sealing surface. I've installed three of them this way, and no leaks. That's not to say that it *would* leak with the foam gasket... just passing along my experience. Tuna Reno, NV ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:28:09 -0700 From: "Conrad & Tricia Holsomback" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Fantastic Fans ^^ The service rep did his best to discourage us from buying one & having it installed. He said that even though they had the shim for the rounded Airstream roof, they didn't like to install this vent fan as it was prone to leakage. Has anyone had any experience with the Fantastic vent fans on vintage units? ^^ Gerry & Carolyn, Ours is an 88 Limited, not a vintage, but the original fan and vent were replaced with a Fantastic Fan by a previous owner, we don't know who installed it , and it does leak and drips on the sofa as well as run between the skin to the floor. If we keep it caulked, we can control it. We had heavy rains here this week in Phoenix and it did not leak, and the control is great for closing if it begins to rain while the vent is open. It is a stronger fan than the one in back which is original, but it doesn't have the lights and inside shade/cover of the standard. Here in the southwest a lot of heat and light comes thru, and at night if we are parked near or under outside lights, they shine thru. Another note, Camping World discouraged us last year about installing an AC. She said they don't like to work on Airstreams. Of course they aren't the first dealer to refuse to work on them, at our home base the local SOB dealer refuses, and elsewhere on our travels repair men have refused work because it was an Airstream. One guy in Texas told us it cost him $9000. to work on an Airstream and never again would he do so. But Hunter on the Airstream list has had her FF installed by Camping World and we don't think she has had a problem . Conrad & Tricia Holsomback [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:46:30 -0500 From: "Edward Emerick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Door Seals Hello All, I am at the point of purchasing door seals for the 59 Traveler and I am looking for a good source for the right kind seal. When I picked this trailer up the seals were destroyed and I don't have enough to even try to find a match. I do know that a seal was attached to the door and a sponge type was applied to the inside of the door frame. The door in the door seemed to have the same type of seal that was attached to the main door. So if any of you have replaced this on a 59 model can you drop me a line on where you purchased the seal. Thanks Ed WBCCI/VAC 4425 68 Sovereign 59 Traveler ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:10:22 -0600 From: "buddy atwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Possessing Stolen Property And, it is entirely possible that you are now guilty of receiving stolen goods.etc. > cheers > chas I don't believe the unknowing purchase of an item that turns out to be stolen will meet the elements of a criminal offense in any state in the union. Concealing that property from the authorities once the fact it is stolen becomes known to the purchaser is an entirely different matter. Have a local law enforcement authority examinr the trailer to determine if it is stolen, then do the right this. Best Regards, Buddy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:43:25 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VACList] Possessing Stolen Property may not meet the conditions of a criminal offense - but believe you run the risk of losing the trailer to the rightfull owner without compensation of your purchase money.........either way, always best to get a clear title for the unit, besides theft, possiblity of an unpaid lien against the property.....if anything the seller should have provided a salvage or junk title or preferably a replacement title hopefully the state that the unit will be licensed in will run a title check before issuing plates and this is all non-issues and just thoughts when future buyers look at a unit Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:21:29 -0500 From: "T Meeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] bed slides 67 safari Where are these bed slides? Is the front or side sofa what you are talking about here?? You are not alone on the large side. ;) Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: [VACList] bed slides 67 safari > I am a large person do the wooden bed slides hold up > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:45:53 -0500 From: "T Meeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Fantastic Fans > Like you, I may spring for a FF in our '67 22' when we take it to Burlington > this summer. My plan is to install it (or have it installed) in the center > vent rather than the front or rear vent hole. > > Terry Terry, We have two Fantastic fans in our new to us 1995 34' Classic FK, one in the front that has the rain sensor and the one in the rear bedroom that is of the manual type. To cool things off quickly I just use the front fan to pull in air while the back fan exhausts air, very efficient. Why not have two fans for your trailer instead of just one in the middle? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:00:26 -0600 From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Door Seals McMaster-Carr www.mcmaster.com has a good selection of seals for doors. I used a D shaped one about 5/8" wide on the flange of the door on my '68 Caravel and its working quite well. Gerald J. - -- Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. Reproduction by permission only. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:33:52 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VACList] bed slides 67 safari I have used the front sofa but have'nt tryed the side -it comes out more & and has play in it & creeks (used more by past owners i think) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:19:32 -0500 From: Blair Prestin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #105 Have you tried to call or email that person for a reason that the bill of sale or title hasn't arrived?? what does the person say? Lost, forgotten??? Blair At 03:37 PM 2/16/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hello. I've gotten advice from all of you about sun roofs, air conditioners >and polishing, but now I need some really serious help! I bought a 64 >Tradewind off ebay from someone I thought was a wonderful guy--it was >delivered >to me 1000 miles away before he even received my total payment... Well, >three >months later, I have yet to receive a title or bill of sale. I have run >through all e-bay options as far as getting help. I know who and where this >seller is, and know what I can do criminally, but don't want to do that yet. >Anyone have any advice or know how to get a lost title? Thanks. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > >To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to >http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:24:02 -0700 From: "Earl Peck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] New shocks Hello All, With all the chat on the list last week about shock absorbers I decided to go ahead and put new shocks on the 65 Overlander I'm redoing. My question is---- Does anybody have a part # for new shocks? Can I get these from the local automotive parts house. Monroe , Gabriel, or even Sears. All input and advise welcome. Thanks in advance, Earl WBCCI 1965 1965 International Overlander (AKA Ms. Inez ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:32:45 -0500 From: Blair Prestin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Possessing Stolen Property Do we know if this unit is really stolen or have we assumed that??? Blair At 07:43 PM 2/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: >may not meet the conditions of a criminal offense - but believe you run the >risk of losing the trailer to the rightfull owner without compensation of >your purchase money.........either way, always best to get a clear title for >the unit, besides theft, possiblity of an unpaid lien against the >property.....if anything the seller should have provided a salvage or junk >title or preferably a replacement title > >hopefully the state that the unit will be licensed in will run a title check >before issuing plates and this is all non-issues and just thoughts when >future buyers look at a unit > >Jim > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > >To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to >http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:38:29 -0800 From: Rik & Susan Beeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] bed slides 67 safari Being a large person myself, I know you'd make quite a splash if you fell in that creek... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I have used the front sofa but have'nt tryed the side -it comes out more & >and has play in it & creeks (used more by past owners i think) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:20:02 -0800 From: Rik & Susan Beeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Possessing Stolen Property Strictly unsubstantiated assumption. It's much more likely that the seller simply lost the paperwork, and now has no motivation to solve the problem for the buyer since the seller already has all his money. When I am confronted by this situation, I hold back $500 or so until the paperwork is presented. It's amazing how well that works. Best regards, Rik Blair Prestin wrote: > Do we know if this unit is really stolen or have we assumed that??? > > Blair > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 01:14:52 -0600 From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] New shocks Check Tom Patterson's archives. Its been listed many times. Some with horizontal shocks take specials only available through Airstream. Those with vertical shocks tend to take the shortest available shock with eyes on the ends. Typically made for a 70s vintage Chevy pickup (and lots of other GM vehicles of that era). I have a pair out in my truck but I don't remember the part number though I could probably search for it in my archives too. NAPA and Sears now sell Monroe shocks. Gerald J. - -- Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. Reproduction by permission only. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 01:23:34 -0600 From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] bought a trailer without a title thru online auction On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:54:32 -0600, lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >To be guilty of receiving stolen property you have to KNOWINGLY receive it. >You're not in any bind other than being out the $$$ that you paid. > > should not have used the word guilty I was trying to say that it was entirely possible that the buyer may have received stolen property - forget the word guilty. chas - -- Charles L Hamilton, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Houston, TX WBCCI #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T '76 Sovereign '02 E350 PSD www.schuetzen.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 02:41:57 -0500 From: "T Meeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] bought a trailer without a title thru online auction Correct. That's my take on it. Tom From: "lefty frizzell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [VACList] bought a trailer without a title thru online auction > Tom, > > To be guilty of receiving stolen property you have to KNOWINGLY receive it. > You're not in any bind other than being out the $$$ that you paid. > Lefty Frizzell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:53:30 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VACList] Possessing Stolen Property As a former law clerk, I find this to be of some interest. Since "common knowledge" states clearly that the public accepts "ebay" as the way to move stolen merchandise, then the recipients of such do "know" it is stolen or at least should accept that possibility. The sheriffs in the seller's hometown and the sheriff in the recipient's hometown should be notified immediately so that any possible protection from a charge of receiving stolen merchandise can be established. 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