For what it's worth, I thought the gift items were very cool. The calculator was perfect, my wife has been wanting a new one for some time and we just hadn't gotten one yet. And the 2GB flash drive is great. Haven't had a chance to check out the contents, but I figure even if I have everything on it, the drive itself is a very cool gift.

I personally went to the sessions on Taking Control of your Network, Edubuntu LTSP, Moodle, and INGOT. In a sense, the first two were a bit lighter technically than I would have liked, but at the same time I recognize that the audience was primarily educators who have some tech knowledge and responsibility, not geeks who work in education, so the level was probably just right. I did gain some nuggets of nifty info anyway, and intend to take a look at Edubuntu as soon as I get a chance.

The other two sessions had their useful parts, but definitely felt a bit more like commercials for their respective commercial enterprises. The Moodle session did make me want to have another look at that product, since we had been thinking Sakai was the only open source CMS that was robust enough for our needs. I wasn't sure how much of what was shown was native Moodle, and how much was GlobalClassroom addons, though. And although there were parts of the Ingot presentation I found interesting (and I liked some of the observations about paradigm shifts), a fair amount of it wasn't really applicable, at least to us in a higher-ed sense.

I very much like your observation about the need to develop the developers.

I do have to say that it was exciting to find out how much open source usage there already is in education in Vermont. It also gave my coworker, who will take over as chair of the computer curriculum committee at CCV in July, a ton of great ideas how to work open source into our offerings and our student labs, with an eye towards both getting students back on track for being educated in how to learn to use software as opposed to paint-by-numbers use of Microsoft products, and helping students be able to get software they can afford when the economy is diving into recession mode.

I'd say we had a good experience, over all.

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--On Saturday, April 05, 2008 01:21:07 PM -0400 Paul Flint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On site at FOSS Vermont

THE NOD
Bryant Patten clearly knows how to throw a conference, and I personally
want to thank him for doing just that.  Thus, this nod to Bryant is
sincere, heartfelt and will likely loose all credibility as this note
progresses.

Moreover, Bryant did explicitly and courageously traveled north many
hours in treacherous conditions to attend the VAGUE gathering at Signalz
in February.  While at this meeting he was well prepared with a flyer and
indeed spoke eloquently on FOSSEDVT.  Bryant made this point to me and I
must agree with it.  If there is anyone responsible for the lack of this
being memorialized in VAGUE listserve traffic, this fault may fall on my
shoulders, as I volunteered to stand in for Josh, our usual reporter at
these meets.

Resara (http://www.resara.com) gets the nod for letting me use an EEEPro
to write this report.  Ever scurry around your house, taking care to wrap
up the new boom headphone, spare laptop cord and actually forget the
computer?  It sucks to get old. Anyway I personally want to thank Warren
and Brendan for all of their help to me particularly, and the Open Source
Education community in general.  They are steadfast in their support.  So
beyond a mere nod, the following is a shameless, naked, and transparent
plug for this plucky pair.  Call them at 888-357-9195 or 603-357-9195 or
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], when you do, tell them
Flint sends his Kindest Regards.

That said, on to the meeting, held in the labyrinth basement lake level
of the Lake Morley Resort.  The austere snow and ice trappings of this
dormant summer establishment kind of made me feel inside, like Jack of
Kubrick's "Shining", a madman terrorizing a somnambulant reality. So
besides being excellent, this facility clearly deserves an appropriate
nod for pure style.

Eh, then I registered.

THE CHACHKAS
All Attendees got a gift bag.  Gift bags must be a booming cottage
industry, and Mr. Patten and crew procured wisely.  My gift bag included:
  1.Neck Noose Name Tag Holder with a pen already attached.
  2.2 Gig Memory Stick (USB 2) hidden in the Name Tag Holder!
  3.A nifty clipboard with blue lined paper ready to go
  4.A Goofy calculator
  5.A Weird curled Plastic thing with no apparent purpose
  6.A Certificate of Attendance
  7.A CD with Windows versions of many open source programs in binary on
    it.

Sadly, the perpetual dream of good free network access was once again
deferred.  Brendan, a good man with Resara, and I tried to put one system
online so that I could send my report in via SCP.  Neither Ping, SCP nor
SSH worked from the wifi connection of the EEEPro that Resara let me try
out.  This could be due to two things:
  1.All outbound ports on this network save 80 & 443 are masked
  2.Some kind of web based authentication needed to take place

Brendan and I thought the former, then towards the end of the conference,
I saw a sign on the registration desk for something like a nocat
(http://swik.net/nocat) gateway.  If it was the latter, I would suggest
stating this verbally at the opening, as many folks (take Brendan and me)
are not so literate at 08:30 AM.

I need to stress this point in planning any Linux or Open Source
gathering.  Free, fast, easy, uncomplicated network access, be it wired
or wireless is an absolute must have, not on the word of some banquet
manager, but tested, documented supported and declared ready as a
responsibility of the conference organizer.  Nothing scares away geeks
quicker than crappy network access.

An important side bar to network access is the lack of attention to the
need to stream these types of conferences.  If there was forward
inspection of the network facilities, how hard would it be to arrange for
streaming of the major events?  Ubuntu in Boston had Polycom "Spider
Phones" that appeared to do IP streaming natively.  That said, these are
Uber Geeks, and I could be wrong with how simple they made it seem.  The
good news was that there appears to be some attempt to iPod some of the
content, stay tuned on this one.

THE FOOD
The food was fantastic.  Now in deference to Trask, it may not be the
stuff of legend that the NELS conference in Bath is, but it was very
close.

Breakfast was comprised of a buffet of Cheese, Fresh Fruit, Coffee, Sweet
Rolls served at the keynote.  Very cool.  The Fresh Fruit made me flash
to Kaylee in the "Serenity" episode of the Firefly series
(http://imdb.com/title/tt0579535/plotsummary) when the strawberries were
deployed...oh my...

Lunch consisted of a buffet served in a nice dining room overlooking Lake
Morley.  Quite delicious, the highlights included; Salmon, cold cuts, hot
and cold drinks and yummy deserts for the taking.

A snack was placed in the main area around 2:30, it was comprised of hot
and cold drinks, excellent brownies and other light cake things.  The
coffee was good all around.

No doubt some of you would have me to consider the substance of this
conference.  Here I would merely point out that I did not chafe for
creature comforts.

THE PRESENTATIONS
While not apparently planned this way, due to late arrivals, the keynote
was in fact delivered by "The hardest working man in Open Source
Education" Mr. David Trask.  As I have shared a presentation stage in the
past with him, I can tell you that being gracefully "late" and letting
him cut loose in a solo rap is a very good thing for all involved.

DAVID TRASK

Dave was in his element, and his presentation was popular and his
presentation style populist, folksy and available.  He talked about his
"Digital Natives" - his students, and the folks at his school and made us
all envious of both his skill and energy.  Dave used all the right words,
some I knew and some I did not.  I took notes and blushed inwardly when
he pointed to me as a technical resource.  Dave should be in the nod
section, but he has his own conference coming up, and I reserve my nod of
this event.

Keep in mind here that I can only talk about the stuff that I attended.
There was much I missed; particularly telling was the conflict I felt
between attending LTSP for Technicians and David Tisdell's presentation
on Open Source music.

Bjorn "BJ" Bhrendt I chose LTSP for Technicians because I figured that
this would be a very technical session, I wanted to know how technical
this thing could get. I was actually pleased.  Bjorn Bhrendt did an
excellent presentation where he virtualized an Edubuntu server and client
under VM ware.  While I would have preferred Xen or VirtualBox, we did
share some Ubuntu bash techniques.  Bjorn's perspective was extra
interesting because at the school where he teaches , he is afflicted with
Active Directory and chafes under it. BJ has found in Hardy and other
places a whole new way to make groups of computers talk in this Active
Directory context.  His unpretentious search for more and better places
this presentation in a fine light.  When I interrupted his lecture to
suggest that he explain what a Media Access Control (MAC) address was, he
asked by show of hands if everyone knew what this was.  Apparently
everyone knew.  Cool session. Gonna load hardy on a virtual now.

DAVE TISDALE

While lurking around a corner in the labyrinth that is the basement of
Lake Morely Resort (Video Game anyone?) I was fiercely pleased to
confront Dave Tisdale, and used up a Magic Charm to lead him into an
empty meeting room there, I was able to immobilize him in a web of deceit
and innuendo and while thus feast off of his knowledge...

I began with my favorite Ubuntu Studio lament.  The distro is 820 Meg
just big enough that there is no way to fit it on a 700 Meg CD.

I talked to him about a project in the area of ecclesiastical service
management that my patron showed interest in, and he suggested I look at
Rosegarden (http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/).  Dave continues kindly to
point out that one would need ZynAddSubFX
(http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/all/zynaddsubfx) in order to voice
Rosegarden, and the trend apparently is that everything talks to Jack.

As I am currently working on a project where it turns out Dave's stuff
might be developed into what I need for my sponsors long term system
needs I scuttled away satisfied and happy.  This type of pollinization is
exactly what a conference like this should be about.

IAN LYNCH

The good news is that Ian uses Google Docs.  The Disney flick, one of
three somewhat related films Ian showed at the beginning of this
presentation has caused me to consider once more "Thumper's Rule"
(http://www.winepros.org/aftertaste/links_info-general.htm#thumper).

In my humble opinion, for a guy my age, he gave out a lot of questionable
information.  For instance, in his introduction, Ian stated the community
owns open source code.  In the Q&A at the end of his presentation I had
to challenge this assertion and he corrected himself.

The theme of his talk was his current project "The Ingots"
(http://www.theingots.org/).  I found this presentation difficult for
several reasons, some of which I will describe here.:
- His system appears to be Yet Another Moneymaking Scheme of Certification
   And Marginalization (YAMSCAM).  Ian and Bryant seem to be trying to
   figure out a way to make developers, and that is good.  This Ingot
method
   is not the way.
- Having two login screens on the front, one for the"in" crowd and one
   for the "out" crowd is really silly.  Why not let group membership
   drive the after login result and not make people feel bad?
- Being shown, certification software with no Secure Sockets Layer
   login invites comment, which I suppressed.
- While the content of this site was interesting in kind of an alpha
   release way, I firmly believe that teaching Open Source is not about
   learning the limits of "fair use".
- The proposed "Certification as reward" system is fundamentally flawed.
   Developers are not like Skinnerian mice, willing to run the predictable
   maze of someone else's idea of the open source process, for a food
   pellet or a silly lapel pin, be it bronze, silver or gold.

My greatest fear is that this program could or would get hold of some
young person with the potential to become a developer, and inoculate them
from ever trying.  The good news is that this really dramatized why you
bring developers into an environment like this.  If you want to expand
the Code you need Developers.  Thus your only choice is to Develop
Developers.

The Ingots program (http://www.theingots.org) really puts Developers and
Certification in an adversarial position.  This is not to say that there
is no way to resolve this, rather I believe that an organic approach to
Developer education and lifelong life cycle support is the next big thing
in the world.  In our lives as Boomers Star Trek once asked us to "To
boldly go where no man has gone before".  Are the Ingots the ignoble end
to this development dream or can we refractor these good intentions?
Certainly not without the input of a Developer of two.

THE POINT

Conspicuous in absence from this conference was the lack of evaluation
forms.  No evaluation appears to have taken place after this conference.
Keep in mind as a paying client, I felt entitled to evaluate this
product. Conference evaluations are often held and disclosed in private.
While I considered that approach I was sponsored into this conference by
a client, so instead you and my patron and get this evaluation.

As a paying participant to an event such as this I have an entirely
different attitude about the pluses and minuses than say a speaker or
other invited guest does.  Actually I like the fact that I am in a
position to bend the laws of courtesy and speak plainly rather than cloak
my comments in the syrupy sentiments of comity as would be demanded by
the role of honored speaker or invited guest.

The following constituencies were represented at this conference.  First
are the group consumers, in the forms of Teachers, Students, and
Administrators.  Then come Vendors, in the form of exhibitors and
sometimes, presenters.  In a lot of ways this is a cross-section of that
our society sees as the ultimate achievers.  Markets are defined;
products and services are supplied at a nominal price to everyone's
profit.  I felt like a cog in a closed source marketing machine.

My ultimate expectation is to feel like a participant in a process.
Unfortunately this conference was like a a science fiction convention
with no guest writers.  I firmly believe that this is the crux of my
colleague Rion D'luz's concern and advanced criticism.  So finally my nod
goes to the Developers, who would not have eaten too much, who as,
selected invitees would have been forced to the role of courtesy, despite
their natural disruptive anarchistic tendencies, and we could have gained
much from their typically refreshing insights.

THE DEAL
Bryant, paying you to attend this event has placed me in a position that
I shall exploit, that of being your customer.  This has not been the
easiest evaluation that you ever read, and I am fairly certain that while
you may wish to respond with flame of your own, you will instead accept
my invitation to meet on this subject as I have accepted your invitation
to meet subsequent to this fine FOSSVT event.  You have arrayed powerful
resources that can work towards the good, or in mine and the opinions of
many in our community continue into error.

I would ask the VAGUE community to allow us a panel discussion at their
next regularly scheduled monthly meeting, Wednesday 16 April.  The topic
I would propose is "Developing the Developers who develop the Code", or
"Coming in from the Cold".

Thanks to all for sticking with me on this tortured and perilous journey
through what I suggest is reason.

Kindest Regards,


Paul flint


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