It’s probably true.  The disclosure issue was one of gradualism – I think that 
attempting to proceed with Scott without attracting attention to his financial 
difficulties was correct in 2006. As things deteriorated we should have 
revisited that conclusion (to proceed NOT in public), and did not take the time 
to step back and ask if we should still be dealing with this as a confidential 
matter. 

 

Mary is right, that was an oversight – and I think people would be less pissed 
if we had. Some people, and somewhat less pissed – but if you can at least have 
the sensible people thinking you did the right thing that’s a good start.

 

Andy

 

From: Vermont Area Group of Unix Enthusiasts [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Stanley Brinkerhoff
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Wheres my $400,000?

 

Not to toss kindling into last nights camp fire -- but Montpelier's Mayor 
Hooper somewhat abandoned the "we did everything right" posturing yesterday, 
and is now admitting that they should have mentioned this on May 1, 2008.

http://www.timesargus.com/article/20091014/NEWS01/910140339/1002/NEWS01

"She guessed the increase would be less than $100 per household per year, "and 
actually substantially less than that.""

Wonderful.

Stan

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:53 PM, T. Andrew Hooper <[email protected]> wrote:

I can’t imagine how many CV mailing lists are lighting up with this story.

As a Montpelier City Council member since 2006, I may as well add my piece.

 

Executive Session is allowed by Vermont Open Meeting law for situations where 
public disclosure could have negative effects. It can only be used for 
contract, real estate or personnel issues and was appropriate in this case. 

 

This loss was two years old when it came to our attention, and our highest goal 
at that point was to recover as much of the taxpayer’s money as we could. Scott 
informed us thast he was in a poor cash position, and that publicity could 
cause notes to be called and the business to fold. We worked out a repayment 
plan that worked for a while. Things didn’t improve – we got a secured interest 
in a property that was valued at 4x it’s forclosure sale value, and the first 
leinholder (the bank) took all of the proceeds and also ate a loss. 

 

Council Minutes are available on the City website once they are approved by the 
council (generally at the next meeting). I am a huge advocate of transparency 
in the government, I have pushed for an archived mailing-list so that all of 
the back-channel conversations can also be available for public perusal which 
has not yet been implemented. However in this instance I was convinced by legal 
council, city auditors, city staff and other councillors to persue a private 
arrangement first.

 

I would appreciate it if people would read the entire TA piece from last Friday 
before adding their 0.00002 to this conversation. The specifics of the cause of 
the overpayment, the role of the auditors, the timing of events, etc. are all 
laid out VERY clearly by City Manager Bill Fraser.

 


Regards,

Andy Hooper

District 1

 

 

From: David Hardy [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:33 PM


To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: Wheres my $400,000?

 

The city council here and the mayor need to be throughly investigated.  Not the 
first time the council has pulled shenanigans like this. And how do we know if 
the minutes are accurate, let alone the annual report?  These people, at this 
level, and, of course, higher and much higher levels, just do whatever the hell 
they want and are apparently unaccountable to anyone for our tax dollars.

 

I think we'll slide by that meeting tomorrow night.

 

 

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Stanley Brinkerhoff <[email protected]> 
wrote:

All,

I know this list has members in the Montpelier/surrounding areas.  Incase you 
missed the articles -- apparently Montpelier overpayed a contractor in ~2005 to 
the tune of $400,000.  It wasn't noticed until ~2006, and the city council, nor 
the mayor have  been entirely forthright about its occurrence.  They do cite 
that they their legal requirements by putting it in their counsel minutes (only 
available on paper via request) and in the "annual report".  They also note 
repayment was ongoing from the vendor who was over-payed, which made them feel 
as though the "issue was resolved".  

Appropriate links
http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091010/NEWS/910109998/
http://www.montpelier-vt.org/story/241.html

City Council meets this Wednesday to review the situation "publically"
http://www.montpelier-vt.org/community/313.html

Stan 

 

 

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