Well... don't forget that Linux has a response to ZFS in the works: btrfs.
 While still not quite ready for primetime, the VAST majority of patches
these days are of the look-at-what-we-can-optimize-and-or-make-better
variety, as opposed to the oh-sh**-this-would-lose-data type.

*IF* you don't mind getting fairly heavily into it, there's a lot to be
had.  Snapshots, clones (which are like hard links, but the two (or more)
clones diverge when one gets written to), the FS is, itself, RAID-aware,
it's got checksums (so when you read data, you get to be *sure* it's the
right data), on-line fsck (in the works, IIRC), etc.  It's already been
released for beta use in most distributions, and I'd expect to see it
getting introduced for production use within a year.

$.02,

-Ken


On Thu, February 24, 2011 11:44 am, Sam Hooker wrote:
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>> Anthony Carrico <[email protected]> writes:
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>>> I've got two 2T drives (WD20EARS) and an old motherboard for a
>>> backup server (not an easy time for me, but my old backup system, which
>>>  supports a few people, is running out of space). I plan to use raid
>>> to mirror them. Actually I've got four of these drives, two for
>>> another computer.
>>
>> I have 4 750GB drives in a raid 1+0. I've had drive failures due to a
>> bad SATA cable (easily recoverable, of course), another due to a proper
>> drive failure, and its replacement is already showing SMART
>> Raw_Read_Error_Rate and Hardware_ECC_Recovered counts. "raid 0 and
>> pray" is good advice for just 2 drives :) . In that case, I'd also
>> suggest having a spare already on hand, and adopting the policy that a
>> drive failure is a non-maskable interrupt, that must be dealt with
>> before anything else.
>
> My personal stuff (hosting box; media server; backup server, even) is all
> Linux software RAID1 at minimum, since work- and family-obligation
> interrupts frequently preempt "hobby stuff" for days or even weeks on
> end. (Congrats on your *ahem* "new family-obligation interrupts", BTW!)
>
>>> Ongoing monitoring?
>>>
>>
>> /me ♥ logwatch and smartd, but I'm an amateur at this stuff.
>>
>
> Again, speaking only for my personal boxes: the physical machines'
> logwatches are the only ones I read religiously, scanning daily for
> security stuff and the dreaded SMART errors. I backstop that with a
> rudimentary check (15-minute cron job, but it could easily be parleyed
> into a Nagios check, for instance) that emails on md array/member
> failure. That's attached (perl script), without warranty of fitness for
> any particular purpose blah blah blah etc I rest my case. (Read: I wrote
> it late at night and it may miss critical conditions. Let me know, will
> ya? ;-))
>
>>> Is ZFS so great and wonderful that it
>>> is worth running BSD (instead of Linux) on a backup server?
>>
>> ZFS always seemed awesome. But, Apple stopped using ZFS, and Oracle
>> already cared about btrfs before buying Sun. Is it even an option?
>
> I'm certainly no ZFS expert (barely even familiar, really), so please
> take this worth a grain of salt, but a good buddy of mine (Windows guy)
> decided to dip his toe in the FOSS waters by building a FreeNAS[1] box
> with ~6TB of formatted ZFS, only to have it crap out in mysterious and
> opaque ways. This was at least a year ago, and he turned to me as his
> "Unix guy" friend to help him recover all his family's digital photos. We
> tried all manner of juju over the course of a week or two, and got
> nothing. I recall that the docs (both the ZFS util man pages and
> web-available stuff) were not terribly helpful, and the whole affair left
> a bad taste in my mouth. That may have changed in the intervening time,
> though. Oh, and his were WD "green" drives, of some stripe. Caveat
> administrator. :-)
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> - -sth
>
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> "Elmo: The Other Red Meat."
> -akw
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