I guess I'll delurk on this one as well. Like Rubin, I've been using
Linux as my desktop and laptop system for a long time. And most of what
I do at work is on Linux servers.
That said, we are overall a more Windows-oriented shop. Most users have
Windows desktops or laptops, we use Office, Active Directory, SQL
Server, Sharepoint, and now Exchange in the cloud and Office 365. So
doing at least some amount of Windows work has been unavoidable, and
some of those (SQL Server, Sharepoint, and some pieces of Office365)
have fallen into my lap.
I confess I don't hate Windows 10. I hate the amount of data it
communicates back to Microsoft (and that's after turning off most all of
that I could find), but the OS itself is reasonably stable (for Windows)
and the UI is certainly a dramatic improvement over Windows 8, and they
actually did take the good parts of the Windows 95/97/2000/XP/7 paradigm
and merge it with the good parts of the whole tiling idea. Some stuff
could be improved, but that's always true of any interface (and some of
that is probably personal preference anyway).
I'm actually pleased to see bash coming to Windows, if only to provide a
reasonable batch processing/scripting environment that doesn't involve
commands long enough to qualify as run-on sentences. Powershell is
definitely very powerful, but wordy enough to make COBOL look terse.
Assuming they provide some way of accessing the .Net functionality that
is the core of the new Windows world, even if that's by using .Net
modules in Perl or Python, then using bash instead of Powershell as the
glue to tie that into workable scripts that can be scheduled will be a
beautiful thing.
I know, Cygwin has provided bash for some time, but I agree with Rubin
and others that the overhead of setting up and running Cygwin just to
get a bash prompt ends up being prohibitive in a lot of circumstances.
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On 2016-03-30 20:55, Rubin Bennett wrote:
Interesting times, these.
I have a long and unhappy history with Windows. I stopped using
Windows in 1999, and ran nothing but Linux on both my desktop and
portable computing devices for over 10 years. In the last 3 years I've
become pretty damn good at Windows server. My reintroduction happened
out of necessity: We needed more depth in Windows Server and Exchange,
and everyone else ducked faster than me. I'm still a Linux nerd at
heart, we still run all of our critical infrastructure on various
flavors of Linux/BSD and I'm mashing this email out from my Android phone.
However, over those 3 years, I've found myself in the interesting
position of feeling something approaching a grudging respect for
Windows 2012, and (putting my rage at the privacy issues aside for a
moment) even Windows 10.
Powershell is just as opaque and unhelpful, if not even more so, than
the bash command line. For the first time in nearly 20 years, I found
myself adrift at a command line that I needed to learn from scratch.
Remember those first forays into bash? Remember whomever your guide
was telling to 'man man' (and then chuckling gleefully at your
frustration)? I was like a noob-born again! Learning new stuff is fun,
and (for me, at least) is what gets my sorry carcass hauled into a
vertical position each day. Powershell is a pain in the ass, but it's
aptly named: it can do a LOT. It takes a fair amount of blundering
around to get to a point that you can get it to do a damn thing for
you. Blundering = learning, and learning is awesome.
I've watched the new CEO of Microsoft announce support for running SQL
server on Linux, and now native Bash support. As a network
administrator managing diverse environments, I'm honestly excited by
the prospect of not having to install a full Cygwin stack just so I
can run SSH. I like Cygwin, but it's a lot of overhead when all I
really need is a secure tunnel to another server.
I still miss Konsole, a network admin's best friend and by far the
best muti-window terminal session manager ever, but I do feel
compelled to give a little credit where it's due :)
Alright, back to lurking for me, at least for now.
Rubin
-------- Original message --------
From: Joe Golden <[email protected]>
Date: 3/30/2016 8:04 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Bashists Unite!! The Empire shall Embrace, extend, and
exterminate"
Is this scary?
Apple goes OS X: *nix wins, the world gets more robust systems.
Bash on Windows: bash scripts that run smoothly on windows, big win
for consistency and sanity I'd say.
All that said, it would make me feel dirty. I steer far clear of
Windows and generally feel technically pure and wholesome. That does
make me a bit unqualified to speak about anything Windows!
"Bash on Windows" is a bit contradictory. There's definitely something
amiss. I think we should see it as Windows admitting they need
something better.
Peace, Love and Better Technology
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 05:58:37PM -0400, Paul Flint wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>This is really scary...
>
>I own the web site Visualbash.org...
>
>But I was only joking!!!!
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-microsoft-will-support-bash-on-windows-10/
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Flint
>
>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016, JOHN MILLER wrote:
>
>>Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 14:46:12 -0400
>>From: MILLER
>>To: Paul Flint <[email protected]>
>>Subject: ZDNet: Here's how Microsoft will support Bash on Windows 10
>>
>>If you can't beat 'em, join 'em:
>>Here's how Microsoft will support Bash on Windows 10
>>ZDNet
>>
>>Microsoft is building support for the Linux Bash utilities into
>>Windows 10 with a little help from Canonical. Here's what's
>>happening under the covers to enable this. Read the full story
>>
>>
>>Shared from Apple News
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards:
>>
>
>Kindest Regards,
>
>☮ Paul Flint
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