All of this anti mono and anti anti mono trolling or whatever isn't really important.The important part is that vala has a real chance to gain some ground on the gnome desktop here.
The original post by Sam was a good idea. As a member of the vala community you shouldn't care how or why people don't want mono. What you should care about is that their is a potential for vala to gain some users/developers. Some of these users/developers may be mono haters - who cares. I'm positive that everyone here can put aside personal "religious" (oh gosh...) differences and work together on making vala better/more popular. The goal here is to see vala grow. No need to bring any flames, not even any need to talk about mono really - just (as Sam said) keep in mind that there could be a whole new target audience of vala users/developers out there (and we should capitalize on that). And just to be 100% clear that i'm not a "mono hater" or whatever I code in c# all day long every day (at work). I do like vala and want to see it become the dominant language on the gnome desktop. Just my 2 cents anyways. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Michael B. Trausch <[email protected]>wrote: > Last message on-list on this topic, because *this topic does not belong > here*. > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Sam Liddicott wrote: > > * Michael B. Trausch wrote, On 26/06/09 13:54: >> >>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Sam Liddicott wrote: >>> >>> It may be prudent to keep a weather eye open for the removal of mono on >>>> the horizon. >>>> >>> >>> Wrong forum. This list is for users of Vala, not Mono trolls, no >>> matter how subtle. Go away, thanks. >>> >> >> Mike, your attitude makes you look like a vala troll, contrary to what >> one would expect from your history on this list. >> > > Hardly. This is is for developement and discussion of Vala. Other topics > have their own venues; there are lots of venues for talking about Mono, > being that it is a runtime. Vala is a language, not a runtime (the runtime > is a collection of preexisting C libraries), and so the two cannot be > compared in any meaningful way. > > It's not very flattering. >> > > It was not intended to be flattering. It was intended to call out your > inappropriate post. Blunt? Sure. I can't help that you don't like it. > > Your post also makes it look like you don't know what "weather eye" >> means even though I provided a link for you. >> > > Again, does not matter. While Mono may be in the back of many people's > minds (whether correctly or not) is irrelevant. This list's only topic is > Vala. Mono does not relate directly to Vala, and C# only does in that Vala > is "C#-like" and potentially in the discussions of adopting certain > semantics or grammar from C#. > > Alas, you being rude draws more attention to this. >> > > You mistake direct and blunt for rudeness. Do not read in between the > lines, just read. > > There is enough long-term noise about the removal of mono, and any >> action on this could result in an increased usage of vala. Where's the >> harm in being prepared for this? >> > > That makes no sense, unless you assume that Vala is only "prepared" for a > userbase of nil. It is an evolving language that takes a fresh approach to > native-code systems with assisted memory management and no additional > run-time requirements besides already-existing libraries. That is quite an > accomplishment, and dicussion which pertains to it directly is quite > welcome. If you feel that there is some manner in which it isn't "prepared" > for a particular usage, address that point directly, not any tangents from > that point. > > Blindly changing from the CLI to something like Vala is possible, maybe > even desired, in some cases. But Vala is not intended to replace the CLI nor > the BCL (particularly the latter, since it does not have a specialized RTL). > If there is a feature that you feel is missing, discuss that instead of > "[the] removal of Mono", because that is not-at-all relevant to Vala. > > Please reply, if at all, off-list. There is no need to spam the ML any more > than it has already on this topic. > > --- Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Vala-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/vala-list > -- aaron r andersen tel: (647) 377-0401 e-mail: [email protected]
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