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On 5/31/2012 11:58 PM, 齐玉华 wrote:
Thanks for your quick reply again. It is probable that the valgrind startup time to slow down the short-running scipt. I will validate it later(the computer with linux installed is in laboratory). Then, i seek to wrap some functions in php system to the patched ones in a .so file. In this way, the recompilation time-overhead of the patched php will be cut down. But to validate the candidate patch, we need to regression testing <app:ds:%20%20regression%20testing> (running the original php system with valgrind against numberous test cases ). And the degradation due to valgrind will trade off the recompilation-time cost reduction. Thus, if the valgrind startup time can be somewhat reduced, the way to indirect the patched function will have advantage of time-overhead. Can you give me some advice to reduce the valgrind startup time? Thanks very much.

I do not know whether valgrind startup time can be reduced; perhaps Julian Seward (the author of valgrind) would know. I suspect the answer is no; most programs spend much more time running than initializing, so valgrind startup time has probably not been a concern to anyone else.

I am not sure I understand your run-time concerns. You would be using valgrind only during testing, so the penalty would be paid only during testing. Will the tests fail simply because they are slower? Are there so many tests that they will take substantially more than 20 minutes?



在 2012-06-01 14:03:14,"David Chapman" <dcchap...@acm.org> 写道:

    On 5/31/2012 10:18 PM, 齐玉华 wrote:
    Thanks for your quick reply. Here is the detailed information:
    The good2.php is attached.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    grace@grace:~/software/WAutoRepair/experiment/php/php_null$
    valgrind --version
    valgrind-3.7.0
    grace@grace:~/software/WAutoRepair/experiment/php/php_null$ uname -a
    Linux grace 2.6.32-21-generic-pae #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16
    09:39:35 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
    grace@grace:~/software/WAutoRepair/experiment/php/php_null$
    
/home/grace/software/WAutoRepair/experiment/php/php_null/php-src-5.3/sapi/cli/php
    --version
    PHP 5.3.7RC4-dev (cli) (built: May 21 2012 23:48:55)
    Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group
    Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies
    grace@grace:~/software/WAutoRepair/experiment/php/php_null$time
    
/home/grace/software/WAutoRepair/experiment/php/php_null/php-src-5.3/sapi/cli/php
    good2.php 6

    real    0m0.009s
    user    0m0.004s
    sys    0m0.008s
    grace@grace:~/software/WAutoRepair/experiment/php/php_null$time
valgrind --tool=none -q /home/grace/software/WAutoRepair/experiment/php/php_null/php-src-5.3/sapi/cli/php
    good2.php
    6

    real    0m1.086s
    user    0m1.048s
    sys    0m0.040s

    This could very easily be valgrind startup time, not the slowdown
    from valgrind's instruction simulator.

    As requested by the previous post, please try "valgrind
    --tool=none ls" and compare the run time with "ls" by itself.


    grace@grace:~/software/WAutoRepair/experiment/php/php_null$time
    
/home/grace/software/WAutoRepair/experiment/php/php_null/php-src-5.3/sapi/cli/php
    --version
    PHP 5.3.7RC4-dev (cli) (built: May 21 2012 23:48:55)
    Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group
    Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies

    real    0m0.008s
    user    0m0.004s
    sys    0m0.008s
    grace@grace:~/software/WAutoRepair/experiment/php/php_null$ time
valgrind --tool=none -q /home/grace/software/WAutoRepair/experiment/php/php_null/php-src-5.3/sapi/cli/php
    --version
    PHP 5.3.7RC4-dev (cli) (built: May 21 2012 23:48:55)
    Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group
    Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies

    real    0m0.948s
    user    0m0.904s
    sys    0m0.044s
    
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     If the set of test cases are numerous(e.g. 1000), then the php
    will incur significantly performance degradation. I am waiting in
    hope for your insightful advices. Thanks again.

    If your test cases run in 0.01 seconds each now but will run in 1
    second under valgrind, 1000 tests will take about 20 minutes.  Why
    is this a problem?  You won't be running valgrind every time you
    launch PHP.

    What happens when you run a large PHP script under valgrind?  Do
    you still see 25x or 100x slowdown?



    在 2012-06-01 10:40:59,"John Reiser"<jrei...@bitwagon.com  
<mailto:jrei...@bitwagon.com>>  写道:
    >On 05/31/2012 07:10 PM, 齐玉华 wrote:
    >>   I try to use Valgrind to wrap some functions in target sotfwares such 
as php, libtiff. But i found that valgrind will slow down them significantly(up to 25 
times slowwer), even if run valgrind with '--tool=none'. And as described in valgrind 
mannual, there should be 5 times slowwer than native
    >>  running. I am confused, so anyone can help me to reduce the 
instrumentation-cost with some suggestions? I am waiting in hope for your advices. 
Thanks.
    >
    >Please tell us the version of valgrind (the output of "valgrind --version"
    >when fed to a shell), which hardware (x86_64, i686, PowerPC 64-bit, ARMv7,
    >etc.), and which operating system and release (Ubuntu Linux 12.04, Android 
4.1,
    >MacOS 10.8 Darwin, etc.)
    >
    >How much slow-down do you observe for simple programs, such as
    >"valgrind --tool=none date", or 'ls', 'who', etc?
    >
>-- >








    
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