I think this is one of the areas where opinions are going to differ, because 
there is not necessarily a unitary notion of “the user”.  In a small program 
were one person wrote all the code, I agree that minimizing intrusion will make 
that person happy.  But Java’s strength is that it makes good *libraries* easy 
to write, and surely Valhalla will enable new numerical libraries. In which 
case there are TWO users, the one who wrote the library, and the one using it, 
and they are communicating through a thin pipe.  This is where intent can be 
lost, and being a “libraries guy”, I think this is where Kevin is coming from.

On Apr 25, 2022, at 1:53 PM, Dan Heidinga 
<heidi...@redhat.com<mailto:heidi...@redhat.com>> wrote:

If a user has picked B2

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