> One thing that would worry me a bit about meson is the sheer number > of dependencies involved.
I'm going to vote for "that freeBSD port is absolutely bonkers and probably deserves the behind-the-barn treatment", specially considering the debian dependency graph: https://ibb.co/YdXMHRZ I'm not fully against rolling out our own system, but for the love of all that is holy, let's not base it on Make. -- Guillaume Quintard On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:48 AM Poul-Henning Kamp <[email protected]> wrote: > -------- > In message <CAJ6ZYQy_tL8C7yWsyuxk-= > [email protected]> > , Guillaume Quintard writes: > > > > >We have been ranting at autotools for years now, and it's been a couple of > >years since we tried to get rid of them, so, let's try again, this time > >with the "new" kid on the block: meson (https://mesonbuild.com/) > > I'm all for improving our build system, but it has to be an improvement. > > One thing that would worry me a bit about meson is the sheer number > of dependencies involved. > > To build it from scratch seems to involve at total of 238 ports on FreeBSD > (list below), including both python2, python3, tcl86, mecurial and as far > as I can tell anything anybody ever spotted on github. > > Meson is probably not directly to blame for all 238 ports, but blame > or not: They sit at the top of a very, *very* tall tower. > > Considering how seldom we do nontrivial changes to our build instructions, > I would be far more tempted towards a python script which produces a bunch > of powerful but tedious Makefiles with full dependency tracking. > > Poul-Henning > > /freebsd/ports/archivers/libarchive > /freebsd/ports/archivers/liblz4 > /freebsd/ports/archivers/lzo2 > /freebsd/ports/converters/libiconv > /freebsd/ports/converters/p5-Text-Unidecode > /freebsd/ports/converters/py-webencodings > /freebsd/ports/databases/db5 > /freebsd/ports/databases/gdbm > /freebsd/ports/databases/py-sqlite3 > /freebsd/ports/databases/sqlite3 > /freebsd/ports/devel/apr1 > /freebsd/ports/devel/atf > /freebsd/ports/devel/autoconf > /freebsd/ports/devel/autoconf-wrapper > /freebsd/ports/devel/automake > /freebsd/ports/devel/bison > /freebsd/ports/devel/boehm-gc > /freebsd/ports/devel/bzr > /freebsd/ports/devel/check > /freebsd/ports/devel/cmake > /freebsd/ports/devel/cvsps > /freebsd/ports/devel/dbus > /freebsd/ports/devel/dbus-glib > /freebsd/ports/devel/gettext-runtime > /freebsd/ports/devel/gettext-tools > /freebsd/ports/devel/git > /freebsd/ports/devel/glib20 > /freebsd/ports/devel/gmake > /freebsd/ports/devel/jsoncpp > /freebsd/ports/devel/kyua > /freebsd/ports/devel/libatomic_ops > /freebsd/ports/devel/libedit > /freebsd/ports/devel/libffi > /freebsd/ports/devel/libltdl > /freebsd/ports/devel/libpthread-stubs > /freebsd/ports/devel/libtextstyle > /freebsd/ports/devel/libtool > /freebsd/ports/devel/libunistring > /freebsd/ports/devel/libuv > /freebsd/ports/devel/lutok > /freebsd/ports/devel/m4 > /freebsd/ports/devel/mercurial > /freebsd/ports/devel/meson > /freebsd/ports/devel/ninja > /freebsd/ports/devel/npth > 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/freebsd/ports/devel/py-importlib-metadata > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-incremental > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-invoke > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-iso8601 > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-linecache2 > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-mock > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-more-itertools > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-nose > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pbr > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pip > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pluggy > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pretend > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-py > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pyasn1 > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pycparser > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pympler > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pytest > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pytest-capturelog > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pytest-cov > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pytest-forked > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pytest-mock > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pytest-rerunfailures > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pytest-runner > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pytest-timeout > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pytest-xdist > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-python-mimeparse > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-pytz > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-readme_renderer > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-scripttest > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-semantic_version > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-setuptools > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-setuptools_scm > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-simplejson > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-six > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-sortedcontainers > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-testtools > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-tox > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-traceback2 > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-twine > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-unittest2 > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-virtualenv > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-wcwidth > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-wheel > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-yaml > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-zipp > /freebsd/ports/devel/py-zope.interface > /freebsd/ports/devel/pydbus-common > /freebsd/ports/devel/readline > /freebsd/ports/devel/scons > /freebsd/ports/devel/subversion > /freebsd/ports/devel/xorg-macros > /freebsd/ports/dns/libidn2 > /freebsd/ports/dns/py-idna > /freebsd/ports/emulators/tpm-emulator > /freebsd/ports/ftp/curl > /freebsd/ports/graphics/py-imagesize > /freebsd/ports/lang/cython > /freebsd/ports/lang/expect > /freebsd/ports/lang/lua52 > /freebsd/ports/lang/p5-Error > /freebsd/ports/lang/perl5.30 > /freebsd/ports/lang/python27 > /freebsd/ports/lang/python37 > /freebsd/ports/lang/tcl86 > /freebsd/ports/math/gmp > /freebsd/ports/misc/dejagnu > /freebsd/ports/misc/getopt > /freebsd/ports/misc/help2man > /freebsd/ports/misc/py-pexpect > /freebsd/ports/misc/py-tqdm > /freebsd/ports/net/p5-IO-Socket-INET6 > /freebsd/ports/net/p5-Socket6 > /freebsd/ports/net/py-pysocks > /freebsd/ports/net/py-urllib3 > /freebsd/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg > /freebsd/ports/print/indexinfo > /freebsd/ports/print/libpaper > /freebsd/ports/print/texinfo > /freebsd/ports/security/ca_root_nss > /freebsd/ports/security/gnupg > /freebsd/ports/security/gnutls > /freebsd/ports/security/libassuan > /freebsd/ports/security/libgcrypt > /freebsd/ports/security/libgpg-error > /freebsd/ports/security/libksba > /freebsd/ports/security/libsodium > /freebsd/ports/security/libtasn1 > /freebsd/ports/security/nettle > /freebsd/ports/security/p11-kit > /freebsd/ports/security/p5-Authen-SASL > /freebsd/ports/security/p5-Digest-HMAC > /freebsd/ports/security/p5-GSSAPI > /freebsd/ports/security/p5-IO-Socket-SSL > /freebsd/ports/security/p5-Net-SSLeay > /freebsd/ports/security/pinentry > /freebsd/ports/security/pinentry-tty > /freebsd/ports/security/py-SecretStorage > /freebsd/ports/security/py-bcrypt > /freebsd/ports/security/py-certifi > /freebsd/ports/security/py-cryptography > /freebsd/ports/security/py-cryptography-vectors > /freebsd/ports/security/py-keyring > /freebsd/ports/security/py-keyrings.alt > /freebsd/ports/security/py-openssl > /freebsd/ports/security/py-paramiko > /freebsd/ports/security/py-pycrypto > /freebsd/ports/security/py-pynacl > /freebsd/ports/security/rhash > /freebsd/ports/security/trousers > /freebsd/ports/shells/bash > /freebsd/ports/sysutils/py-execnet > /freebsd/ports/sysutils/py-filelock > /freebsd/ports/sysutils/py-pkginfo > /freebsd/ports/sysutils/py-ptyprocess > /freebsd/ports/textproc/asciidoc > /freebsd/ports/textproc/docbook > /freebsd/ports/textproc/docbook-sgml > /freebsd/ports/textproc/docbook-xml > /freebsd/ports/textproc/docbook-xsl > /freebsd/ports/textproc/expat2 > /freebsd/ports/textproc/html2text > /freebsd/ports/textproc/iso8879 > /freebsd/ports/textproc/libxml2 > /freebsd/ports/textproc/libxslt > /freebsd/ports/textproc/minixmlto > /freebsd/ports/textproc/p5-Unicode-EastAsianWidth > /freebsd/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe > /freebsd/ports/textproc/py-alabaster > /freebsd/ports/textproc/py-chardet > /freebsd/ports/textproc/py-docutils > /freebsd/ports/textproc/py-pygments > /freebsd/ports/textproc/py-pystemmer > /freebsd/ports/textproc/py-snowballstemmer > /freebsd/ports/textproc/py-sphinx > /freebsd/ports/textproc/py-sphinx_rtd_theme > /freebsd/ports/textproc/py-sphinxcontrib-websupport > /freebsd/ports/textproc/py-toml > /freebsd/ports/textproc/py-towncrier > /freebsd/ports/textproc/sdocbook-xml > /freebsd/ports/textproc/utf8proc > /freebsd/ports/textproc/xmlcatmgr > /freebsd/ports/textproc/xmlcharent > /freebsd/ports/textproc/xmlto > /freebsd/ports/www/libnghttp2 > /freebsd/ports/www/p5-CGI > /freebsd/ports/www/p5-HTML-Parser > /freebsd/ports/www/p5-HTML-Tagset > /freebsd/ports/www/p5-Mozilla-CA > /freebsd/ports/www/py-bleach > /freebsd/ports/www/py-django111 > /freebsd/ports/www/py-html5lib > /freebsd/ports/www/py-requests > /freebsd/ports/www/py-requests-toolbelt > /freebsd/ports/www/py-tornado > /freebsd/ports/www/serf > /freebsd/ports/www/w3m > /freebsd/ports/x11/libICE > /freebsd/ports/x11/libSM > /freebsd/ports/x11/libX11 > /freebsd/ports/x11/libXau > /freebsd/ports/x11/libXdmcp > /freebsd/ports/x11/libxcb > /freebsd/ports/x11/xcb-proto > /freebsd/ports/x11/xorgproto > /freebsd/ports/x11/xtrans > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > [email protected] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. >
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