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The real challenge in all of this is making sure that you are wearing
the correct hat. The ASF does not recognize corporations (or
universities) as such with exception to code grant provided by them.
The ASF looks at this project as a standalone entity that is complete
separate from NCSU. The committers are volunteering their time to
this project because they are interested in it, not because someone is
paying them to do this work. Certainly there are times where a
person's passion lines up with how they are making a living but that
is considered a good situation.
In order for this project to graduate from Incubator to a TLP it has
to demonstrate a working independence from its origins. As far as the
ASF is concerned, if NCSU decided to not continue investing in this
area would the project die. If that is the case, then it is not truly
an independent community. Our goal in the Incubator is to build that
There have been many times since November that the issue of the name
came up. The fact that it is inextricably linked to NCSU makes it
hard for people to objectively say that it is a separate community.
I'm not being critical, just trying to state the obvious.
To be honest, if the name was changed but there was still a clear tie
to NCSU the project would still have difficulty getting the support to
graduate from the Incubator. I for one could not support it based on
where w are at today. Time will tell.
On Feb 23, 2009, at 11:06 AM, Josh Thompson wrote:
I'm wearing my NCSU hat while writing this email.
NCSU is absolutely doing #2 and actively making an effort to *not*
I just realized that some of the confusion is probably coming from
the vcl.ncsu.edu website. There is a lot of information there that
lead people to think we may be doing #1. Consider all of that
content to be
old and just not yet updated. We've held off on updating it because
of this discussion about the name. We'd rather not go to all of the
to change everything there to talk about VCL being developed at ASF
end up changing the ASF name to something other than VCL, causing us
to change everything again to reflect the new name.
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