Josh Thanks for the info - I've asked my technical people to post their questions to the list.
I'll offer two quick comments on the wiki documentation - one is that some pages like https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL/base-image-creation.html appear to be blank, but selecting "Show Children" shows more detail. Also, on https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL/create-a-linux-base-image.html there is a section on "configuring /etc/rc.local for loading on different nodes..." with a bullet point that says "Copy the following to /etc/rc.local", but nothing follows. For licensing, we do find that it takes some work to explain the VCL concept to software vendors, but they generally understand it. The problem we are finding is that some vendors want to make a distinction based on the machine that a user accesses the VCL from. If it's from a university owned machine that is usually not a problem. However, in the case of a student using a personal machine to access the VCL, vendors are telling us that is only allowed if we buy student licenses (or similar) - which generally means a lot more money. This includes software that is available in the NC State VCL, so our licensing manager would be interested in comparing licensing details to understand how other schools have dealt with licensing issues. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Josh Thompson [mailto:josh_thomp...@ncsu.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:54 AM To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: Resources for startup of a VCL project -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David, If you can have your technical people explain the problems they are encountering, we'll be happy to help work through the issues. It would also be helpful to know where the documentation isn't clear so that we can improve it. I'll give a shot at the licensing question. Hopefully, someone else that's dealt with it more can answer better. I know the people dealing with licensing here at NCSU have run into difficulty with software vendors because it can be difficult to explain what VCL is and how it delivers apps to students. But, once the software vendors really understand VCL, they're usually quite happy with their software being delivered with it (but not all of them). Many software vendors work with academic institutions to get students exposure to their software so that it results in more use in industry. VCL allows their software to be exposed to more students, but provides better access control to it, which they usually like. It also prevents students from using the software once they have left the academic institution (assuming their login credentials are revoked), which is not always the case if the software gets installed on a students personal computer. Josh On Wednesday May 19, 2010, Woods, David M. Dr. wrote: > Hi, > > Miami University has started a pilot project to look at the VCL software, > and I'm looking for resources to help the project team with this. At this > point, the technical people have gotten the VCL software installed, and > are working to connect it to VMWare and build an initial image. They are > struggling a bit with some gaps in the documentation, so suggestions about > getting this setup would be appreciated. > > The other questions we have at this point are about licensing. We have > started to talk to some of our software vendors about whether our license > allows us to use the VCL to give students access to software, and we are > getting a lot of interesting answers. Our software licensing manager > would be interested in getting in touch with people in similar positions > at schools that have implemented a VCL to compare notes, etc. so contact > info for anyone that helped sort out licensing details would also be > appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Dave > > > David Woods, Ph. D > Assistant Director for Research Computing > IT Services > 347 Gaskill Hall > Miami University > (513) 529-1857 > - -- - ------------------------------- Josh Thompson Systems Programmer Advanced Computing | VCL Developer North Carolina State University josh_thomp...@ncsu.edu 919-515-5323 my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEUEARECAAYFAkv1MM8ACgkQV/LQcNdtPQO/DQCYsbyQLpW3BJEkk8IWJxLkUKtc BgCePs8iSb5AhJ8K7QgD0QEnU2W0tLs= =w3Jt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----