On 02/12/2012 09:50 AM, Dan Kenigsberg wrote:
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 03:23:19PM -0500, Ayal Baron wrote:

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I agree that for messaging environment having a Message ID is a must
because you sometimes don't have a particular target so when you get
a response you need to know what this node is actually responding

The message ID could be composed with<FLOWID><MSGID>  so you can
reuse the field.

But that is all besides the point.

I understand that someone might find it fun to go on following the
entire flow in the Engine and in VDSM. But I would like to hear an
actual use case where someone would have actually benefited from
As I see it having VSDM return the task ID with every response (and
not just for async tasks) is a lot more useful and correct.

A generic debugging scenario as I see it.

1. Something went wrong
2. You go looking in the ENGINE log trying to figure out what
3. You see that ENGINE got SomeError.
4. Check to see if this error makes sense imagining that VDSM is
always right and is a black box.
5. You did your digging and now you think that VDSM is as fault.
6. Go look for the call that failed. (If we returned the taskID it's
pretty simple to find that call).
7. Look around the call to check VDSM state.
8. Profit.

There is never a point where you want to follow a whole flow call by
call going back and forth, and even if you did having the VDSM
taskID is a better anchor then flowID.

VDSM is built in a way that every call takes in to account the
current state only. Debugging it with an engine flow mindset is just
wrong and distracting. I see it doing more harm the good by
reinforcing bad debugging practices.

I don't know about harm, but, today the engine logs every call and return value 
to and from vdsm.  This means that all the info that is needed to follow a flow 
is already present in the engine log (which was not the case previously) so I 
believe that the flow id is redundant.
In addition, instead of focusing on how to track a flow between components, we 
should focus on how to improve the engine log so that the users don't need to 
go to the hosts in the first place.

My biggest problem with it is that it changes each and every verb in the API 
and makes the log itself also more verbose and less readable.

The good thing about the currently suggested implementation


is that it (ab)uses an http header for carrying FlowID, thus keeping the
formal API intact. FlowID is logged only on API entry point, so it would
not clutter the logs too much.

if the FlowID isn't logged for logs which are part of the action, it will be easy to detect the entry point.
but still wouldn't make it easy to grep all related logs to a flow
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