Nathan Bubna wrote:

> Gabe said:
...

>>My expectation was that simple tools like a date formatter should be
>>thread-safe such that we can reuse instances. If the tool is not
>>thread-safe, the only reasonable and safe scope is 'request' in my view.
>>If something like a date formatter can't even be reused, what can?
>>
> first of all, session scope is just as safe as request.  the only scope
> where thread-safety is a reasonable concern at all is application.


Thread-safety is an issue for session scoped tools as well. The requirements
are somewhat different thought. Think about a web client loading a frame-set
page. It can easily generate multiple virtually concurrent requests that
are all within the same session.


...



> arghh!! how can you not see the case for that!!!?!!!??! i have spelled it
> out for you time and again!!!  please read this ****i want a DateTool that
> can be easily used (or at least easily extended) to work reasonably in
> either application, session, or request scope!!!****  what is so hard for
> you to understand about that?  if you'd like other cases, how about pretty
> much any tool that relies heavily on localization?!  sorry if i seem a
> little exasperated about this, but if i'm do then it's probably because i
> am!  this is not a non-issue or unrealistic case! this is a very simple,
> specific, and real case that i must have repeated to you about ten times by
> now!!  and i'm not feeling very patient today!  sorry.


We are talking past each other here. I hear what you are saying but you
are not addressing my input. That's why repeating the same thing doesn't
resolve the issue.

Let me come back to this topic in a few days. I noted that there are some
open points here.

Gabe



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Gabriel Sidler
Software Engineer, Eivycom GmbH, Zurich, Switzerland


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