On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 08:30 PM, Matías Giovannini wrote:
On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 09:18 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
3) The Dammed Numbers Patch (or -ish)
I don't want to sound bureaucratic, but we should first set in stone the intended semantics before committing to any code. I think it's a major change to plunge head-first into the abyss.
You are 100% right - I didn't mean that the patch would be committed as is and we'd be done with it - I think "The Damned Numbers Patch", or TDNP, is now a proxy for the entire concept.
Ah come on. Will we start the whole discussion again? Numbers yes, no, with literals, w/o literals, right MVC / false MVC? I really hope not! There are so many threads that have covered this topic. So I hope we're not at the point where we start these discussions again. But I am quite optimistic on that ;)
So I suggest that Matías and others who are interested in the Numbers-thing apply the patch to their copy of the source and play with it so we can start a serious (and goal-oriented) discussion on that.
I also wouldn't want the term "The Damned Numbers Patch" to slip into our vocabulary since it only discredits the whole concept of bringing numbers and thus a *lot* of simplification and convenience into the velocity-core. (But I don't take it *that* serious though ;)
However, the actual TDNP *is* a manifestation of a starting point.
I agree and I am willing to participate in any discussion on that. I always said that the patch isn't the complete and final solution to the problem. The only thing I ever "demanded" / expected was: Comments and Discusstion(tm).
I have a couple of ideas, let me know when is the time right to start this thread going.
As said above: Go and patch your source and play with it! Then come up with what you like and what you don't like coupled with ideas of how to improve the concept / code. That is by far the most efficient way to go.
As long as the subject line isn't "Re: JavaCC open sourced on dev.java.net", there's no time like the present. However, if it would be better to bring forward the patch as a concrete example as the starting point, we should probably do that.
geir
Matías.
Peter
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