oh, god.

Umm... let's just say this issue is surprisingly contentious.  Check the
archives for two bouts of past vocal discussion.

WILL

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Inger, Matthew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Velocity Developers List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:20 AM
Subject: RE: 1.4 dependency jars


OK.  Now that i look in velocity-dep.jar, i notice that the logkit
classes are there.  Is there any plan to migrate to commons-logging?


-----Original Message-----
From: Marin� A. J�nsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:01 AM
To: 'Velocity Developers List'
Subject: RE: 1.4 dependency jars


heh heh, here we go again :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Inger, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 15. apr�l 2004 14:55
> To: 'Velocity Developers List'
> Subject: RE: 1.4 dependency jars
>
>
> Correct me if i'm wrong, but LogKit is NOT required by
> Velocity.  Some logging package which can be accessed through
> Commons-Logging must be present, but there is no specific
> requirement on LogKit.  Log4J, or JDK 1.4 logger, or even no
> log package (in which case it will use the built in
> SimpleLogger) can be used.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:55 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: 1.4 dependency jars
>
>
> =====
> 1) velocity-<version>.jar : The Velocity jar that does not
> include any external dependencies needed by Velocity, such as the
> jakarta-commons-collection classes, Jakarta Avalon Logkit, or
> Jakarta ORO. We do this to allow you to use whatever version
> of collections, logkit, etc that you wish w/o fear of
> collision. These jars are included in the distribution, in
> the build/lib directory, or at the respective project sites. =====
>
> It's not clear from skimming the 1.4 docs which
> minimum/tested versions of
> the jar files are needed or what additional jar files are
> needed.  I'd also
> recommend that "Velocity, such as" be replaced with
> "Velocity, which are" as
>
> the first suggests that "these, and more" are required, while
> the second
> explicitly states that "these, and only these" are needed.
>
> In fact, here's my suggested rewrite [?no idea? needs to be
> replaced with
> the minimum version of ORO]:
>
> =====
> 1) velocity-<version>.jar : The Velocity jar that does not
> include any
> external dependencies needed by Velocity, which are the
> jakarta-commons-collection classes (commons-collections.jar -- 2.1 or
> higher), Jakarta Avalon Logkit (logkit-1.0.1.jar or higher),
> and Jakarta ORO
>
> (oro.jar -- ?no idea? or higher). We do this to allow you to
> use whatever
> version of collections, logkit, etc that you wish w/o fear of
> collision.
> These jars are included in the distribution, in the build/lib
> directory, or
> at the respective project sites.
> =====
>
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