Hi Nathan,

> so here's a few related questions...
> 
> anyone thinking we should put a 1.2 out soon?

Well, now that Struts 1.2 is released, and Velocity 1.5 seems to be
coming soon, I think it would be nice to see the next release.  :)

>  what bugs should we
> squish for that?

There seems to be only 6 bugs in buzilla right now.
   
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&product=Velocity&content=&component=Tools
## But there maybe more just not categorized correctly.  There were
some in Documentation, as we don't have a "doc for tools".  Should
they be in "Tools" or "Documentation"?

>  are there any recent contributions many people would
> like to see get in before 1.2 is released?

Being the contributor, I'd like to push the following, in the order of interest:

ArrayTool and EscapeTool:
    http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-velocity/ArrayTool
    http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-velocity/EscapeTool
These two I've been actually using, so they must be usefull.  :)
## And are probably the only two I REALLY want in the library.

The null stuff:
    http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-velocity/NullTool
    http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-velocity/ViewNullTool
    http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-velocity/IfNullDirective
    http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-velocity/IfNotNullDirective
I think you said you wanted to discuss these.  Well, I guess it's a
good time.  :)
At least we need to discuss the difference between "no reference" and
"a reference to null".  Likewise, "removing a reference" and "setting
a reference to null".  (How to handle each.)
cf. http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27741#c5
## I'm not sure if we REALLY need/want the directives.

PublicFieldUberspect:
    http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-velocity/PublicFieldUberspect
I hear about this on the user list occasionally.  I'm not sure if it
belongs to the VelocityTools subproject, but since the
o.a.v.t.generic.log package is here, I thought I might as well put it
here.

MonostateVelocityEngine:
    http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-velocity/MonostateVelocityEngine
This was more or less a joke.  I think it's comfortable staying on the wiki.

If any of them are going to make it, I'll try to make xdocs for them.

>  is VelocityStruts up to
> date with Struts 1.2.x?  i've been pretty out of touch with that part
> of the code lately.

I'm curious about that, too.  Some more questions:
- Are the tools compatible with both Struts 1.1 and 1.2?
- Or do we need to have a separate set of tools for 1.1 and 1.2?
- Or should we just forget about 1.1?

> is anyone else interested in tool pooling?  yes/no/why/why-not?

Not me, because I haven't a found a need for it (yet?).  (YAGNI)

> would anyone else want to work on a 2.0 branch?  i have a bunch of
> experimental stuff i was playing with locally a few months ago
> (pooling, pluggable toolbox loader, moving basic tool management to
> generic level, etc).  it's a bit out of date, but i might be up for
> the work if i had some assurance of interest and assistance.

Sounds fun, but I don't think I can get enough time right now.  :(

Best regards,
-- Shinobu

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Shinobu "Kawai" Yoshida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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