I'm okay with this, though a little iffy about the build succeeding and producing different results depending upon what's in your classpath. Perhaps the "release build" could be more stringent, and actually fail in the case where it might otherwise just not build some of the classes.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Nathan Bubna wrote: > +1 on the plan. sounds good to me. > > On 9/26/05, Will Glass-Husain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yes on all points. I like it. Particularly the point about losing j2ee. > > > > Anybody use jar-core? Seems obscure to me. > > > > WILL > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Newsgroups: hometree.jakarta.velocity.dev > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:09 AM > > Subject: Jar Building > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > currently we have seven different jar building tasks for the ant build: > > > > > > - jar - builds the regular jar > > > - jar-J2EE - builds the regular jar + DataSource loader > > > - jar-core - builds just the Velocity engine, minus texen, > > > anakia, convert and the servlet > > > - jar-util - just texen, anakia, convert > > > - jar-servlet - just the VelocityServlet > > > - jar-dep - regular jar + some classes from commons-collections, > > > commons-lang, logkit, oro repacked > > > - jar-J2EE-dep - regular jar + Datasource Loader + some classes from > > > commons-collections, commons-lang, > > > logkit, oro repacked > > > > > > Which leads to the following jars: > > > > > > 431183 Sep 26 11:47 velocity-1.5-dev.jar > > > 434233 Sep 26 11:44 velocity-J2EE-1.5-dev.jar > > > 297167 Sep 26 11:46 velocity-core-1.5-dev.jar > > > 32150 Sep 26 11:46 velocity-util-1.5-dev.jar > > > 4686 Sep 26 11:47 velocity-servlet-1.5-dev.jar > > > 1166066 Sep 26 11:47 velocity-dep-1.5-dev.jar > > > 1169116 Sep 26 11:47 velocity-J2EE-dep-1.5-dev.jar > > > > > > The difference between velocity and velocity J2EE is ~ three whooping > > > KB with no difference for the actual users unless they use the > > > DataSource loader which is actually pretty exotic (and whoever is > > > loading templates from JDBC probably knows what they are doing... :-) ). > > > > > > velocity-servlet contains a single class that is deprecated. > > > > > > I do like the split between "core" and "util", however I'm afraid we > > > can't just do that for 1.5 Most users of Velocity, Anakia and Texen > > > might be upset if we suddently require two jars instead of one. This > > > is something for Velocity 2.0 > > > > > > Interestingly enough, the sizes of "core", "util" and "servlet" don't > > > add up to the full jar. This is because the test classes are missing > > > from all three jars. > > > > > > I'd like to propose the following things for the 1.5 release of velocity: > > > > > > - jar-core, jar-util and jar-servlet targets go away. This means that the > > > current users of "velocity-core" will have a penalty of ~36k in jar size > > > and > > > every one else will greatly benefit from the reduction of different > > > velocity > > > jars floating around. > > > > > > - jar and jar-J2EE are rolled into "jar". The build checks whether the > > > javax.sql.DataSource class is available (which is J2EE, jdbc.jar or JDK > > > 1.4+) > > > and if not, issues a big warning about the missing class. This is only > > > important for people that want to customize their velocity version or > > > rebuild > > > the jar. And it will make building actually simpler because there will be > > > less > > > confusion about which target to choose and which jar to build. > > > > > > - same goes for jar-dep and jar-J2EE-dep > > > > > > - none of the actual jars will contain the test classes. > > > > > > - We will make sure that the official Velocity 1.5 release will be built > > > with > > > JDK 1.3.1 and jdbc thus making the resulting jars and distributions > > > runnable > > > on all JDK platforms from 1.3 to 1.5. > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > Best regards > > > Henning > > > > > > -- > > > Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] +49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ > > > > > > RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire > > > Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development > > > > > > 4 - 8 - 15 - 16 - 23 - 42 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
