We are a hospital based outpatient infusion center.  We use mostly 22g 
catheters on our infusion patients.  We have had to administer blood and blood 
products along  with antibiotics and sometimes chemo vias a 24g due to the 
patients veins.  I have had less problems placing a 24g catheter into a small, 
frail vein and infusing medications and blood than trying to place something 
larger.  I have infused at a rate of 200ml/hr without a problem via a pump.
 
Margaret
 
Margaret M Nicastro, CRNI, OCN
Coorordinator IV Therapy/Oncology
Gettysburg Hospital
147 Gettys Street
Gettysburg, PA 17325
Phone:  717-337-4312
Fax:  717-337-4485
 

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Sent: Thu 12/29/2005 3:38 PM
To: Stone, Gloria; Bartholomew , Jerry A (SPO); Lynn Hadaway; DENISE GALLAGHER; 
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Subject: RE: BLOOD ADMINISTRATION


our Ambulatory Infusion Center uses 24s with any and all types of  infusions, 
ie blood, Remicade, iron.  depends on the patient 

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Gloria
        Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:26 AM
        To: Bartholomew , Jerry A (SPO); Lynn Hadaway; DENISE GALLAGHER; [EMAIL 
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        ped puts blood through 24 PRN...............gloria stone RVMC  Medford 
Oregon

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                 I have personally transfused several units through a 24 gauge 
catheter.  I did some research on the relative diameters of red blood cells, 
and the 24 gauge catheter.  The catheter diameter is equal to the width of 
60-80 red blood cells.  Under normal pressures, this will not cause hemolysis.  
The limiting factor is the speed of the transfusion.  If you're working the ER 
and you need to slam the unit into a trauma victim, then the #24 is not for 
you.  But if you are satisfied with rates of 200-400ml per hour, you shouldn't 
have any problems, because a #24 will accommodate up to 1200ml/hour.  Just as 
an aside, I also infuse quite a bit of IVIG, and Prolastin, and use the #24s 
almost exclusively.  You can also find support for this in the manual put out 
by the American Association of Blood Banking.
                 

                Jerry Bartholomew RN BSN CRNI 
                Vascular Access Specialist 
                Veterans Affairs Medical Center 
                Spokane, Washington 

                 

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Lynn Hadaway
                Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:09 AM
                To: DENISE GALLAGHER; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
                Subject: Re: BLOOD ADMINISTRATION
                
                
                The only time I would hesitate to use a 22 ga for blood 
transfusion is when there is major bleeding or trauma and you need to rapidly 
infuse the blood. Otherwise, there is no problem with infusing blood through a 
22g. It will take longer to infuse than through a larger gauge but should 
easily infuse in the 4 hour limitation. Lynn

                At 9:27 PM -0500 12/20/05, DENISE GALLAGHER wrote:

                        My understanding is that blood can be given through a 
22 ga if it is a thin wall catheter because then the diameter is a bit larger.  
But, would probably only use if for the occasional one unit and not on a 
routine basis.
                        

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                                Subject: Re: BLOOD ADMINISTRATION


                                Go to your blood bank and ask if they have a 
copy of the textbook, Technical Manual, from the American Association of Blood 
Banks, not sure what the most recent edition is. Mine is very old, yet it still 
states in the chapter on administration that blood can be infused through as 
small as a 21 gauge. Since catheters come in even sizes, I would change that to 
a 22 g. It is very often given to neonates through a 24 gauge. There are 
several studies supporting this but your best reference is the AABB book. Lynn


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                                        At the institution I currently work for 
we have had an issue with what size IV is appropriate for blood administration. 
 I am curious as to what policies are out there and what evidence based 
practice studies have been done.  The main question is #20 gauge is the 
smallest gauge that is appropriate for administration.
                                        Thank you ,
                                        Tamara
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                                Lynn Hadaway, M.Ed., RNC, CRNI
                                Lynn Hadaway Associates, Inc.
                                126 Main Street, PO Box 10
                                Milner, GA 30257
                                http://www.hadawayassociates.com
                                office 770-358-7861



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                Lynn Hadaway, M.Ed., RNC, CRNI
                Lynn Hadaway Associates, Inc.
                126 Main Street, PO Box 10
                Milner, GA 30257
                http://www.hadawayassociates.com
                office 770-358-7861



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