Hi Halle

Glad you had a good experience with this.  We do this..usually 5mg tPA
and then another 5-10ml of normal saline or more.  Instill and
dwell...have the pt move around a bit if they can.



It often works like a charm!

Gail

>>> "Halle Utter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/25 12:00 AM >>>
I had an interesting experience over the weekend I thought I'd share. 
Was placing a PICC on a pt admitted with rapidly progressive pleural
effusion, probable empyema over the weekend.  They had tried to tap
him(thoracentesis) without success, so had inserted a chest tube, which
wasn't draining. Before my arrival at bedside they had instilled TPA
into the chest tube to break up the empyema, and clamped it for a 2 hour
period.  While I was all set up with my sterile field the nurse came in
and said it had been 2 hours and unclamped the tube.  The patient
proceeded to dump a liter out of the pleural space in about 1-2 minutes.
 He became extremely uncomfortable (played havoc with my sterile field!)
for a few minutes with pain in the chest and feeling like he couldn't
breathe, then kind of stabled out.  The nurse said she didn't expect
there to be such a dramatic reaction - when she had seen it done before
there wasn't such a fast exodus of fluid.  I had never heard (or seen
the effectiveness!) of this use of TPA before, but I saw the chest xray
taken a couple hours before I arrived, and the post PICC one, and let me
tell you, practically his whole lung re-expanded BOOM!  It was
fascinating.  Maybe you all out there have seen TPA used for this, but I
hadn't.  Boy did it work.  But I did have questions about how much TPA
was used and what the systemic implications would be, because it seemed
logical to me that it would take a lot more than the 2mg vial of cathflo
we are used to using for catheter declotting..   Wouldn't some of it be
absorbed and effect clotting?  Has anyone seen this before?  What is the
typical dose of TPA used, and the implications of reabsorption from the
pleural space?  Or did it all drain out into the Pleurevac?  Comments?

Halle Utter, RN
Intravenous Care, INC

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