I am concerned about the morbidly obese patient. We are a center for bariatric surgery. It seems that although US is hugely successful in this population, that we now have problems with the inner upper aspect of the arm being in constant contact with the chest or abdominal wall and it now becomes a warm, moist area. I've also had some problems with the PICC getting pulled out when the patient pulls him/herself out of bed by rubbing the PICC against their skin. Not all patients, but occasionally it's been extraordinariliy challenging keeping these lines in. I've even gone cephalic, but barely got to the distal SVC from the right arm because of the long length needed!!

Nadine Nakazawa



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Susan Schuetrumpf)
To: "Nadine Nakazawa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: tunneled small-bore CVCs
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:53:20 +0000

You think this will be a good option for the 500+lb population??? I am seeing way more of these lately!...why is it they are always the ones that " pull out the line"????( I just dont' understand that)

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Susan Schuetrumpf, CRNI
VASPRO
Atlanta, GA
cell-404-606-1194

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From: "Nadine Nakazawa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Tell your group that I just met with the Chief of IR at Stanford, "Rusty" > Hofmann and he gave me that very article! This is what he wants to do for
> all PICC referrals the PICC team sends them. He says that we are only
> sending the MOST difficult vasculature pts to them,and if we can't get a
> PICC in then they have struggled for hours to get them in and he strongly
> feels we aren't doing what is best for patients. Anyway, we are going to
> start dong this (IR first, PICC team later) once I get all the education out
> there about this "new" line.
>
> I disagree with Lynn. Although it is tunneled, it willl look different as
> they will be using a short tunnel with a small bore , 5 or 6 Fr PICC,
> without a cuff. It is easier to remove because it's small with no cuff,
> easier to insert. A Hohn does not have a tunnel (as I recall) and is
> usually inserted percutaneously into the subclavian or IJ. This SBCC or
> tunneled jugular SMCC will require some staff nurse and community education > to get nurses comfortable with it's location, higher infection rate due to
> skin but less with the tunnel, how to remove it, how to secure it, etc.
>
> Nadine
>
>
>
> >From: "Nancy Costa"
> >To: "Nadine Nakazawa" , [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: tunneled small-bore CVCs
> >Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:53:56 -0400
> >
> >Hi Nadine,
> >Our radiology group calls them SBCC - small bore central catheter. In fact
> >they have published this in Radiology. These are mostly used for renal
> >patients.
> >"Tunneled Jugular Small-Bore Central Catheters as an Alternative to
> >Peripherally Inserted Central Catheters for Intermediate-term Venous Access
> >in Patients with Hemodialysis and Chronic Renal Insufficiency"
> >Sassadeusz, Trerotola, Shah, Namyslowski, Johnson, Moresco, and Patel
> >Radiology 1999; 213:303-306
> >Nancy Costa CRNI
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Nadine Nakazawa
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:29 PM
> > Subject: RE: tunneled small-bore CVCs
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have a good name for these "small bore tunneled CVCs" that
> >can be placed into the IJ with a short tunnel, that are 6 or 7 Fr in size?
> > Tim or Ann: What do you call these lines? Especially if they are a
> >PICC that has been trimmed and used in the IJs for patients with no decent
> >vasculature in the arms for a regular PICC??
> >
> > Our IR Chief feels that if the PICC team refers them a patient where we
> >failed to get the PICC in, they will likely have the same troubles. Bad
> >veins are bad veins. He wants to start putting in these lines when we
> >refer them to IR for a failed PICC insertion. I think it dovetails very
> >well with earlier discussions about all the bad vasculature out there.
> >It's getting to be a real problem.
> >
> > Our numbers are excellent and we seen to only refer the truly difficult
> >access situations.
> >
> > Nadine Nakazawa, RN, BS, OCN
> > PICC Program Coordinator
> > Stanford University Hospital and Clinics
> > Stanford University Medical Center
> >
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