Hi,

Thank you! Very much appreciate the clarification on design considerations.
All helps!

I have worked through the various links on
http://www.symantec.com/business/backup-appliance trying to glean
information.

   - The 3rd link in the 5200 section for "getting started" is broken (file
   not found;
   
http://www.min.veritas.com/docs/manuals/netbackup/release5200/Appliance%20Getting%20Started%20Guide.pdf
   ),
   - There doesn't seem to be best practice guides (...such as I can find
   on the www.datadomain.com site - yes, realise it's a different
   company...just wishing) So, I'm currently piecing it together mostly using
   the various deepdives and presentations.

So, I'm beginning to think that most of the customers out there will be
5000 series  or 5200 customers - so they wont be necessarily across the
different 5220 hardware configs, thus the dedupe scenarios/savings/restore
times will differ significantly. Tricky.

Robyn



On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Joe Eversole <joe_evers...@symantec.com>wrote:

> My name is Joe Eversole, and I'm a Symantec consultant. Although I'm not
> speaking on behalf of the company, I'd like to help clarify some
> information about the NetBackup appliances.
>
> The 5000 and 5020 appliances are Deduplication storage appliances
> (PureDisk). They require you to provide a NetBackup media server to drive
> the clients to it. You can do client side or media server deduplication to
> it. The 5000 has 16TB of usable storage, whereas the 5020 has 32TB of
> usable storage. You can pool six of the appliances into one global dedupe
> pool of 192TB (using 5020s). They are more like a DataDomain device, in so
> far as it's a storage pool that stores deduplicated data but requires an
> existing NetBackup infrastructure to run it.
>
> The 5200 appliance and the 5220 appliances are NetBackup appliances,
> running NetBackup 7.1. The 5220 is the newest platform, providing
> flexibility of sizing (all of the A-4, A-36 etc numbers) whereas the 5200
> was just "the 5200" with little in the way of hardware options. They can
> act as a NetBackup master server or a NetBackup media server. Both can use
> the attached disks to provide Media Server Deduplication Pool (MSDP)
> storage. The caveat with this is that you cannot combine multiple appliance
> to create a larger dedupe pool — each 5220 has it's own independent
> deduplication pool. If you have a need for a single large pool in excess of
> 36TB, you should look at the 5020 series appliances as storage targets.
>
> I hope that helps clarify some of the confusion around the model numbers
> and the differences between the appliances.
>
> --je
>
> From: Robyn Hirano <robyn.hir...@roddconsulting.com.au>
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:40:20 -0800
> To: "Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu" <Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
> >
> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 5220 WAS NetBackup 5000 Series replication?
>
> Hi Rusty,
>
> Thank you!
> That makes sense about the SYMC and so the SYMB with 10GbE are presumably
> for target-side.
> (My  material  just calls the models A-4... A-36, B-4....B-36, etc for
> the TB sizing - haven't even seen the acronym SYMC.)
>
> Hopefully    someone   with  more  direct  experience gets a chance to
> catch up email on the weekend.
>
> Robyn
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Rusty Major <rusty.ma...@sungard.com>wrote:
>
>> No direct experience with the NBU appliances, but if you want to utilize
>> Client Direct (client side dedupe) and/or AIR (aka Image Replication and
>> Import to a Remote Master), you will need to use the SYMC appliances.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>> [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Robyn
>> Hirano
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:18 PM
>> To: Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>> Subject: [Veritas-bu] NBU 5220 WAS NetBackup 5000 Series replication?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm searching back through the archives for any discussions about NBU
>> appliances (as well as on SymantecConnect). Below is one of the few
>> threads I've found.
>>
>> Have been looking at the 5220, weighing up the different model options. To
>> get I/O config for "backup" and "tape out", you have to forgo 10GbE.
>>
>> Would really appreciate knowing if there's anyone on the list that has
>> been working with any of these appliances?
>> Anyone moving from DD across or any gotchas?
>> Anyone know how dedup ratios and restore times compare between DD app and
>> NBU app?
>> Hoping for real world experience rather than the marketing info - as I've
>> found the tech deepdive material which only goes so far.
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Robyn
>>
>>
>> [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 5000 Series replication?
>>
>> Jack.Forester at mylan.com Jack.Forester at mylan.com Mon Jan 31 13:29:36
>> CST 2011
>>
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>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> I'm doing replication from a remote MSDP to a PureDisk server (essentially
>> a build it yourself NBU5000) using optimized duplication with no problems
>> so far.  Been running for about 6 - 7 weeks now.  I've got an NBU5000 in
>> our datacenter waiting to be unboxed and installed for our North America
>> environment.
>>
>> It's working pretty well so far.  Dedup rates are in the mid 90% range.
>> Presently backing up and duplicating 1.8TB of full backups on a weekly
>> basis and about 400GB of incrementals per week.  Replication occurs from a
>> remote site across a 20Mb/s WAN link.  The distance is approx 930Km.  The
>> initial seeding of the Puredisk server took about 9 days, but once that
>> finished, the weekly full backups, from start to all replication complete
>> takes under 12 hours.  This is a NetBackup 7 environment.
>> --
>> Jack Forester, Jr.
>> Sr. Data Protection Administrator
>> Global Technology Services - AHS
>> Mylan, Inc.
>> 5005 Greenbag Road
>> Morgantown, WV 26501
>>
>> jack.forester at mylan.com
>>
>> Phone: +1.304.554.6039
>> Cell: +1.412.805.5313
>>
>>
>>
>> From:   scott.george at parker.com
>> To:     VERITAS-BU at MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU
>> Date:   01/30/2011 12:05 AM
>> Subject:        Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 5000 Series replication?
>> Sent by:        veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> We are about to do a proof of concept of one in a couple of weeks.  I will
>> post the outcome.
>>
>> I would really like Oracle to release Solaris 11 with zfs deduplication.
>> When that happens, its going to drive down the pricing in the market.
>>
>> In the mean time, I am in the market too, and shopping around.
>>
>>
>>
>>  From:       sfischer <netbackup-forum at backupcentral.com>
>>
>>  To:         VERITAS-BU at MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU
>>
>>  Date:       01/29/2011 01:10 PM
>>
>>  Subject:    [Veritas-bu]  NetBackup 5000 Series replication?
>>
>>  Sent by:    veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We are in the market for a new backup/replication system.
>>
>> We are looking at using NetBackup 7 with a NetBackup appliance, probably
>> the 5020.
>>
>> Is anyone using a NBU 5000 series device for replication?
>> How do you like it?
>> How was the setup?
>> How much data do you backup?
>> After dedup how much data do you replicate?
>>
>> Do you replicate to a remote site?
>> If so, what is the distance and what kind of network are you using?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
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>>
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