BOO HOO HOO Tom, TYou hurt my feelings. I thought were my friend. LOL All kidding aside, It is personal with me as I did not grow up on an indicator (bobber). I have no problems with anyone using them and as I said, I have had friends fishing with me out fish me using them. It is just not my style, Glad you are doing better I am still not up to par. Hate to hear you will be not making the Sowbug this year, hope next year will be a better year for all of us. Stay in touch. Arkansas Tony
--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Tom Davenport <t...@comcast.net> wrote: From: Tom Davenport <t...@comcast.net> Subject: [VFB] Re: The lift - was Active Nymphing To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 12:20 AM Unlike Tony, I have no problems at all with a strike indicator, especially when making long casts into deep holes that would be impossible to fish with the high stick method. Heck, I don't even care if you call it a bobber instead of a strike indicator. In fact my favorite strike indicator LOOKS like a bobber, it is called the "Thingamabobber" (here is a link if you want to see one: http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0054523320531a.shtml ) It is lightweight, unsinkable, can be easily adjusted at any point on the leader. I use the smallest one they make. But I don't let the fact I have a strike indicator on stop me from high sticking, I will do it anyway when the line gets into high sticking territory. The strike indicator helps you see the slight "pause" in drift of the line when a fish is taking your nymph. Tom On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Michael Bliss wrote: > > This discussion has been very helpful for me both in understanding > Osthoff's book and the process. Now I want to talk about the "lift". > Can you make me feel this? We are at the end of the swing. I assume > the flyrod is pointing straight down the river at the fly. Simply > raise the fly rod? Slowly? Thanks again, > > By the way, I think I am a very good nymphing fisherman. However, I > do my best to dead drift with no unnatural action or drag. But this > is a new concept and I am trying to conceptualize it. Also I use a > strike indicator. I have fished without it and I feel it gives me > more information not just on the strike but also on the way the > current is affecting my line and hence my fly. I would like some > feedback on this as well. I know many good fisherman don't as those > on the list have indicated but many very good ones do based on my > observation and reading. It would be interesting to get the viewpoint > of those that don't how they deal with determining drag > > Mike > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Anthony Spezio > <bambot...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Tom and you are men after me own heart. I did not have anyone to >> teach me >> but I found out that doing it this way had been real effective for >> me. That >> drift with some twitching has taken a lot of fish when others had a >> hard >> time catching fish. That "lift" at the end of the swing is deadly. >> I would >> say I catch about 90% of my fish there when nymping or using buggers. >> I am self taught and have never had the desire to use "bobbers". I >> know I am >> stepping on some toes but to me worms and bobbers go together.. LOL >> Tom, any time you can come by, you are welcome, we will miss you at >> the >> Sowbug. >> Tony >> >> --- On Mon, 2/16/09, George <k...@msn.com> wrote: >> >> From: George <k...@msn.com> >> Subject: [VFB] Re: Active Nymphing was QUOTE FOR THE DAY >> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com >> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:55 AM >> >> Absolutely Tom, I couldn't agree more with your observations. When >> I started >> nymphing without a strike indicator, my catch rate increased. I >> have used >> the same technique and have also caught fish at all stages of the >> presentation. >> >> The fly is only part of the technique, the rest is presentation, >> presentation, presentation. >> >> Keeping the fly in the water is very important, even fishing out a >> bad cast >> can produce a catch. I can usually spot a novice by watching the >> number of >> false casts. The fly in the water is what catches the fish, the fly >> in the >> air doesn't. >> >> George Vincent >> ________________________________ >> From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] >> On Behalf >> Of Tom Davenport >> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 18:34 >> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [VFB] Re: Active Nymphing was QUOTE FOR THE DAY >> >> I learned to fly fish about 15 years ago when a friend helped me >> get rigged >> up and taught me how to cast and fish. He was a nymph fisherman >> (anyone who >> fishes the Weber River where I fish most often is) and he taught me >> to dead >> drift the fly behind a strike indicator. Later I talked to >> another friend >> who had been a fly tyer and fly fisher for years, and asked him if >> he used a >> strike indicator and the dead drift. He said no, he always used a >> shorter >> line and followed it as it drifted through the deep holes. So I >> tried his >> technique and started catching more fish. Several years later I >> realized >> what I was doing is called "High Sticking" and it is still my >> preferred >> method to dig a bunch of fish out of a deep hole. It always >> includes a lift >> at the end, and often I strip it back, and have caught fish both >> ways. Also >> with a nymph and a swing, especially when there are caddis hatching. >> While the basic idea of the "dead drift" is sound, but I don't >> think it is >> as important as some people think. Sometimes adding a little >> motion to the >> fly is exactly what the fish need to strike. If I am fishing a >> long, deep >> run, I will often combine them all... Maybe cast into a back eddy, >> let the >> fly sink then strip it into the main current, let it dead drift >> until it >> comes close to me, then lift the line and high stick through the >> water next >> to me, with a swing on the end, followed by stripping the line >> back. I >> have caught fish at all stages of the presentation of the fly. >> I think we spend too much time wondering what a fly "represents" . >> Most >> often, it is just something that looks like food to the fish, and >> movement >> can be a trigger. >> Perhaps the most important thing is just keeping the fly in the >> water, and >> close to the bottom. >> Tom >> P.S. By the way, I am officially "back". My strength, energy, >> appetite, >> are all normal. I am also making progress with the other two side >> effects >> of the surgery. Life is good. The only downside is that my >> intention to >> attend Sowbug this year has been derailed by $3000.00 in medical >> expenses >> (since I was in the hospital in December and January, it get to pay >> for two >> years worth of deductibles). >> I was really looking forward to seeing Tony again, but my son is a >> trucker, >> and if he has a run this summer that comes within 200 miles of >> Flippin, I'll >> be there to visit (I'll call first). >> >> On Feb 14, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Anthony Spezio wrote: >> >> This called the "Miracle Inch". I use it a lot and get some violent >> strikes. >> At first I would get a lot of break offs till I learned to keep the >> line >> loose in my line hand. I would "twitch" the nymph on the drift let >> it swing >> and hold it there for a short. Then work it back up stream like a >> wounded >> minnow. >> Tony >> >> --- On Fri, 2/13/09, KP <kpt...@btinternet.com> wrote: >> >> From: KP <kpt...@btinternet.com> >> Subject: [VFB] Re: Active Nymphing was QUOTE FOR THE DAY >> To: "VFB Mail" <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> >> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:01 PM >> >> I love upstream dry fly fishng and in the winter I fish my nymphs >> this >> way too. A friend of mine just came back from a course here in the >> UK >> and they were shown how the masters of short line nymphing do the >> job. >> Your books ref to the stripping the nymph on the lift is how he >> described the Czech and Polish method of what we call the induced >> take >> as originated here by Mr Skues. There is a new (?) method used by >> these guys that uses long leaders up to 18 or 20 feet long ! At the >> end of the drift they lift the nymph at a rediculous (to me anyway) >> speed but it works really well. I have used the same method but with >> sensible leaders of 10 to 12 feet long. It resulted in a 40cm >> grayling >> (thats 16" in proper money) which is big for the UK, on my last trip >> to the river. SO yes stripping the nymph induces takes from fish so I >> guess you should try it for a while and >> compare to your normal slower >> retrieve. >> Just my 2pennorth. >> Cheers >> Keith >> >> PS DonO I am doing the 24hour thing again this year!!! I now work >> for >> Orvis UK !!! >> >> On Feb 12, >> 8:46 pm, Michael Bliss <flyfish...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I am reading a book called "Active Nymphing: Aggressive Strategies >> for >>> Casting, Rigging, And Moving the Nymphs" By Rich Osthoff. In the >>> book he talks of moving the nymph, not just like streamer fishing >>> but >>> casting upstream and stripping the nymph (not streamer). I am a >>> dead >>> drifter almost all of the time and this is new to me. Anyone do >>> this >>> and can you shed some perspective on this? >>> >>> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
